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seriously pisses me off when i go on ebay or craigslist looking for tickets and these fuckin scumbags are selling them for 800 dollars...gimme a fucking break...this is what these people do for a living..seriously the scum of the earth.
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Who buys these? If no one buys maybe they will stop trying
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seriously who has that kind of money to spend on concert tickets...its so frustrating
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@RunawayKing said: seriously who has that kind of money to spend on concert tickets...its so frustratingOver stuffed scene crashers, that's who.
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well they will be PISSED cause CO shows are now paperless. Which I personally prefer...
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The what kind of ticket am I going to get? Very simple - put the fucks out of biz by not buying. Dont blame the playa though - hate the game. It's been goin on for years
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really burns my onions WTF!!! How do these a-holes live with thier scummy selves
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@DrPeterVenkman said: @RunawayKing said:In the voice of Curly Howard, "I resemble that remark".seriously who has that kind of money to spend on concert tickets...its so frustratingOver stuffed scene crashers, that's who.
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@castinajig said: really burns my onions WTF!!! How do these a-holes live with thier scummy selvesIn crystal mansions with golden mattresses stuffed with cash? Im guessing.
Nothing new here. Wait it out. Prices will come down.
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@nicklenick said: Who buys these? If no one buys maybe they will stop tryingif they're trying to sell like 20 tickets for an outrageous price and only 3 or 4 people buy them, they're still making bank.
what also pisses me off is that this year at deer creek, when you came in the gate, you could pay $50 and upgrade to pavilion, which means that there were pavilion seats that were purposely reserved for that shitty reason.
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@Tannisroot,, No doubt, and when their Limo Runs out of Gas They simply But a new one...I know ticket prices will come down as the dates approch,Still hoping Sticketmaster comes thru for some Halloween Shows....
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seriously, were u not going to shows prior to 3.0? its ALWAYS been like this.
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It's not always been like this.
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I understand the frustration, its annoying to either not be able to get a ticket because scalpers scooped them up or to have to pay a ludicrous price for a ticket that a scalper scooped up, but, the essence of ticket scalping is the essence of capitalism, which is the essence of this country. The whole point of commerce is to sell something for more than it cost you to buy it/make it. Its nothing new, its not unique to phish and its not going away.The only way it can go away is if you have to attach a name to a ticket purchase and show ID to get in with that ticket, but I don't see the concert industry resorting to airline ticket policies just to stop scalping, since, by the time a ticket is scalped, the promoter, venue and act have already been paid, so there is no motivation to stop it.
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@weaselnamedfee said: the essence of ticket scalping is the essence of capitalism, which is the essence of this country"Moisture Is the Essence of Wetness. Wetness Is the Essence of Beauty."
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i shouldnt have said anything
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@mgouker said: It's not always been like this.Maybe the price has changed, but I have to respectfully disagree. (Let the record show I don't like them either BTW).
It's ALWAYS been like this. Always. weaselnamedfee hits it on the head. Supply and demand. I don't care if it was the Grateful Dead's NYE 1990 at Oakland Coliseum, The Red Wings - Penguins game 7 at JLA 2 years ago, A Holyfield fight a Caesars Palace...Red Carpet "rail" tickets to the Emmys, Inauguration Ball passes, all of it.
If there's a demand, there's a supply. Just like the "Nitrous Mafia" (I always just called them "the guys with the tank" but anyways).
These people may be scumbags (no "may" about it, they are scumbags), but they aren't stupid.
If nobody bought these tickets, BOOM. Out Of Business. Chapter 11. Nice try. See you again. If nobody buys nitrous and just yells at them wherever they go they would disappear. But they don't. Why? They're making $$$ (off someone apparently).
But that (obviously) isn't the case. Someone is paying for these tickets, or else they wouldn't be in business. And this has been going on forever. And ever. And ever. Phish didn't "invent" the subculture of scalping. I don't care if it's a concert, the Super bowl, or audience tickets to see David Letterman at the Sullivan...anything with a price and a demand associated with it is going to be scalped. That is Capitolism (although Capitolism at it's worst probably).
I hate scalpers too...but they're there (just like nitrous dealers and drunk assholes). Always have been.
This is nothing new.
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i never said that this is something knew...i know that every major event that tickets are in high demand ticket prices are going to rise from scalpers ... its a good way to make money (if ur into that sort of thing) its been goin on forever...i'm aware.... that doesnt make it right.
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@RunawayKing said: i never said that this is something knew...i know that every major event that tickets are in high demand ticket prices are going to rise from scalpers ... its a good way to make money (if ur into that sort of thing) its been goin on forever...i'm aware.... that doesnt make it right.For sure dude! It isn't right at all. I'm just getting at the comment about how this is something new and it was never this way. It's always been this way and it always will be.
Sucks...but that's the way it is. Maybe I'm just numb to the concept of scalping, because I've seen it all (sports and music). But every tour it seems like a huge surprise to a bunch of folks, and that's kinda ammusing to me.
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I'm just numb to it, plain and simple. All of us here KNOW how to get the tickets we want while still keeping our souls intact.
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ya exactly its like either way i kno i'm getting tickets and i'm never gonna pay a rediculous amount of money...so i guess it really doesnt matter
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Well maybe its "always been like this" for in demand tickets for like the Superbowl or a heavyweight championship fight, but not always for Phish. Through 2000, I was never shut out of a PTBM request. Dozens of shows requested, 100% success. Many other shows I simply bought a ticket at the box office upon arriving at the lot.Demand is up, they're playing smaller venues, thats cool, I get it. But it hasnt always been like this. I actually enjoyed it when it was a little more under the radar, there was less demand, way less stress involved in securing your entry. Hell, half the wonder of the Clifford Ball was seeing how many people were there and thinking "Wow, there's this many of us!"
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@DrPeterVenkman said: I'm just numb to it, plain and simple. All of us here KNOW how to get the tickets we want while still keeping our souls intact.Hoping to learn in time for 10/30 and 10/31 Ha
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i just hope i can get my ticket (reg. price) to the opener in broomfield i'll be a sad sad individual if the 10th comes and im not there...btw does it start on the 9th or 10th because phish.com gives conflicting dates although im pretty sure its the 10th, anybody know 100%?
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@stealyourface said: i just hope i can get my ticket (reg. price) to the opener in broomfield i'll be a sad sad individual if the 10th comes and im not there...btw does it start on the 9th or 10th because phish.com gives conflicting dates although im pretty sure its the 10th, anybody know 100%?Dont know your time zone but im eastern and its the 10th
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@johnnyd said: Well maybe its "always been like this" for in demand tickets for like the Superbowl or a heavyweight championship fight, but not always for Phish. Through 2000, I was never shut out of a PTBM request. Dozens of shows requested, 100% success. Many other shows I simply bought a ticket at the box office upon arriving at the lot."That too. Maybe it isn't 1996 anymore.
SIGH.
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@SageDabbler said:
@stealyourface said:i should have been more specific of the months im talking about i clarified if you read abovei just hope i can get my ticket (reg. price) to the opener in broomfield i'll be a sad sad individual if oct. 10th comes and im not there...btw does it start on oct. 9th or 10th because phish.com gives conflicting dates although im pretty sure its the 10th, anybody know 100%?Dont know your time zone but im eastern and its the 10th
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two things (and i have my flame-suit on) ---- capitalism is not necessarily a good thing (yes, this is a scary thought)...i know, in this context it's being used merely as an explanation...
-- the only "friend" i have ever "divorced" (and i don't mean in the facebook sense) was essentially a scammer, schemer, scalper...and HE called himself a "broker" -- there is no amount of lipstick you can smear on that pig and not have him still be a scalper...
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Love em or hate em when you absolutely have to have that ticket, they got it for you. You don't even want to know what I paid to get into Hampton last year. Between Weddings and and that money gone I missed the whole summer tour paying off the CC. This is America people. Supply and demand. This is not the hippie lot community (that really is run on $, qnd thus supplyand demand as well, in the end). This is the real world. I can break out one of my 8th grade economics lessons for you.
Agh, sorry about the rant. I don't like scalpers at all, but I love capitalism! Without it you have no democracy, which
means no freedom, which means no shows period. Enjoy it.
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and turn a huge profit. Tough regulations would make it better for everyone. Phish is doing a great job with GA tickets prices. You get what you get. 'brokers' will put in tons of requests on all different accounts, and give two craps about the music, blocking all us phine folks and praying for public sale. The econmony sucks. DO NOT buy from these jerks. It's totally bogus, and stiff laws should police this before it gets out of hand. 800 bucks for a floor seat GA..you may get shuffled to the back..I could go on cause this makes my blood boil..sorry for ramblin
@mgouker said:I hear ya..i'm gonna say though, and i do not want any more government in my morning coffee, but if there were tough regulations, scalping would be a thing of the past. It's still 'techniquely illegal'. i don't understand how you publicly can go on stubhub and sell tickets for more then face value. If you are in a lot, and there is a undercover you sell a ticket too, and it's above face value, you WILL get cuffed. But on the internet, you could sell your left shoe(but you shouldn't you should always take care of your shoesIt's not always been like this.Maybe the price has changed, but I have to respectfully disagree. (Let the record show I don't like them either BTW). It's ALWAYS been like this. Always. weaselnamedfee hits it on the head. Supply and demand. I don't care if it was the Grateful Dead's NYE 1990 at Oakland Coliseum, The Red Wings - Penguins game 7 at JLA 2 years ago, A Holyfield fight a Caesars Palace...Red Carpet "rail" tickets to the Emmys, Inauguration Ball passes, all of it. If there's a demand, there's a supply. Just like the "Nitrous Mafia" (I always just called them "the guys with the tank" but anyways). These people may be scumbags (no "may" about it, they are scumbags), but they aren't stupid. If nobody bought these tickets, BOOM. Out Of Business. Chapter 11. Nice try. See you again. If nobody buys nitrous and just yells at them wherever they go they would disappear. But they don't. Why? They're making $$$ (off someone apparently). But that (obviously) isn't the case. Someone is paying for these tickets, or else they wouldn't be in business. And this has been going on forever. And ever. And ever. Phish didn't "invent" the subculture of scalping. I don't care if it's a concert, the Super bowl, or audience tickets to see David Letterman at the Sullivan...anything with a price and a demand associated with it is going to be scalped. That is Capitolism (although Capitolism at it's worst probably). I hate scalpers too...but they're there (just like nitrous dealers and drunk assholes). Always have been. This is nothing new.
and turn a huge profit. Tough regulations would make it better for everyone. Phish is doing a great job with GA tickets prices. You get what you get. 'brokers' will put in tons of requests on all different accounts, and give two craps about the music, blocking all us phine folks and praying for public sale. The econmony sucks. DO NOT buy from these jerks. It's totally bogus, and stiff laws should police this before it gets out of hand. 800 bucks for a floor seat GA..you may get shuffled to the back..I could go on cause this makes my blood boil..sorry for ramblin
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Sorry but until I hit the lottery with tickets or get them when they go on sale to the general public which so far I am 0 for 15 I will support these assholes, unless you want to sell me an extra for face that is..chucktown and AC for the 30th and 31st anyone?
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This is America but this mentality sucks, and people who ignorantly buy into it need to stop.
Stop sucking that is. Maybe a boycott of scalpers is in order here. I mean just cuz you have to see that Halloween show is it really worth 500 dollars? Maybe I guess if that 500 bucks isn't really yours (rich parents credit card), or maybe your willing to sacrifice your whole summer. I know its a loosing battle but we need to take a stand! If you can't find a ticket for face don't go. It just seems like a slap in the face when I've given countless extra tickets to phans needing assistance to now have to shell out my life savings just to see 1 show.
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@weaselnamedfee said: I understand the frustration, its annoying to either not be able to get a ticket because scalpers scooped them up or to have to pay a ludicrous price for a ticket that a scalper scooped up, but, the essence of ticket scalping is the essence of capitalism, which is the essence of this country. The whole point of commerce is to sell something for more than it cost you to buy it/make it. Its nothing new, its not unique to phish and its not going away.The above statement is precisely why our economy is collapsing in front of our eyes. If you have a $60 ticket to a show and sell it for $300, then that is over inflation of a fair market value. Corruption. That is in essence what has happened on Wall Street and that is why the middle class is a now thing of the past for young Americans. Being immoral seems to be a "virtue" now. I find it insane that people actually believe that a government for the people and by the people is inherently bad. True, it has major problems, but do you really think a corporation is going to reach out and help we the people? Fix our economic problems? That would cut into the bottom line. Very bad business. Have you forgotten how many billions of $$$ we're giving to failed corporations in order to let them break the rules of our Capitol system.
@weaselnamedfee: I'm not trying to single you out here, I'm just trying to respectfully illustrate my point. Nothing personal man.
Phish ticket prices in the year 2010 are about as fair as they can be. And I believe in fair trade in the free market. If you need some extra cash, then sell the ticket at face and ask for a donation for the hook up. Otherwise scalpers are going to drive up ticket prices for every body. Further more Phish makes it quite clear that they prohibit scalping. Why go against the wishes of the band?
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@MJZ1974 said: @mgouker said:Hmmm... well, I'm not sure whether you are arguing about the Dead or Phish, but I've walked up to the box office and bought tickets for both before. I don't think I was at a sold out Phish show until 10/31/96. In the case of the Dead, I did New Year's runs in 1979, 1980, and 1981, MSG, Utica, and Hartford in 3/81 too. In fact, I think I only failed to get a ticket for 12/31/81 because I was broke. You could walk up to Memorial Auditorium box office in Sacramento on 6/28/79 and buy a ticket. Scalpers were selling Rolling Stones tickets in 81 for Candlestick, so I guess you have a point... it's just that until the early 80s, you could see the Dead without much effort and Phish in Florida until 1996 was pretty easy.It's not always been like this.Maybe the price has changed, but I have to respectfully disagree. (Let the record show I don't like them either BTW).
It's ALWAYS been like this.
I think it used to be easier when they played 30-40 shows on the Fall Tour. ;-)
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The above statement is precisely why our economy is collapsing in front of our eyes. If you have a $60 ticket to a show and sell it for $300, then that is over inflation of a fair market value. Corruption.WHAT??????
Fair market value is determined by supply and demand. If the line for giving me a bj was the same for $5 as for $100, I'm charging $100. BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS THERE. The real problem here is this, and listen very carefully:
Your just pissed that your bum ass can't afford what other people are willing to pay. Our economy is collapsing because people are not willing to WORK for things in life.
Flame away!
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I'm not done. It is almost like people want to be rewarded for doing nothing. Like you have a birth right to $60 dollar tickets. It is obvious that anybody who bitches about ticket brokers do not own a business or work for themselves.
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@phishyman2:"Our economy is collapsing because people are not willing to WORK for things in life."
True that. People would rather invent complicated financial instruments that nobody understands than be teachers or plumbers or carpenters. Or just start up ponzi schemes.
"We used to make things in this country. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket"
-Frank Sobotka
That goes for ticket brokers too. I am bemused by all the rage about this, though. If you don't like the price/can't afford it, don't pay it. There are going to be plenty of face value tickets bought and sold before these shows happen. Chill out, people.
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"It is obvious that anybody who bitches about ticket brokers do not own a business or work for themselves."Do explain. I'm curious about that leap of logic.
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I just read all of these comments, and....... The main thing I want to add here is that, right or wrong, the scalpers are always there, sure, but there is no guarantee that that $300 ticket is even real! A friend of mine paid a scalper (I know, I know, GASP!) $250 for a 7-4-10 ticket, which turned out to be fake. Really just ONE MORE good reason to stay the hell away from scalpers!
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@johnnyd said: "It is obvious that anybody who bitches about ticket brokers do not own a business or work for themselves."Because people who own businesses and work for themselves don't do it for shits and giggles, they do it for profit, money, cash, moola, the green stuff. You know, the stuff that pays your bills, buys your gas, takes you lady to the movies, helps you retire. These people understand that you either buy supplies and sell them for a higher price, or you perform a service for a price.
Do explain. I'm curious about that leap of logic.
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Phishyman, I owned a stereo store for 21 years, and worked in the industry for another 9. I'm a businessman and I bitch about ticket brokers, or more accurately, a system that is so broken that it is absolutely impossible to get tickets through Ticketmaster and their like. If you don't get a ticket through PTBM, you have to resort to ticket brokers. You talk about supply and demand. That applies in unfettered markets. The ticket market is rigged to keep the supply available through Ticketmaster/LiveNation/etc. at zero. For Red Rocks last year, I logged into LiveNation maybe 10 seconds after the window opened. I got shut out. And even if I'd gotten one show, there is no way in the world I could have purchased the rest of the run and would have had to have gone into the secondary market, or show up the day of the show and taken my chances. I'm not driving a 1000 miles for just one show of a run.There is nothing wrong with ticket brokers per se, but there is something wrong when that is the only way you can get a ticket other than pre-sales by the band. The moment Ticketmaster bought StubHub, the system became corrupt. Why sell tickets for $60 when you can sell them for $250? The supply side of the equation is totally broken.
And no, it hasn't always been like this. Yes, tickets have been scalped for centuries. But in the past, there was a reasonable expectation that if you worked the system, you had a good chance of getting one at face value, too.
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So phishyman2 you're in favor of commoditizing every single thing in the world. Cool. Stay down with your bad smug unfettered capitalist self.
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I just got two face value GA Floors for Manchester from Ticketmaster, so I guess there are other ways to get tickets besides PTBM or scalpers.
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I also saw somebody else got Charleston through Ticketmaster. This is excellent news. If the system gets fixed so that Joe Blow, or in this case joechip, can once again buy tickets on the onsale date, as opposed to all of them disappearing in a matter of seconds, then everything is back to being cool. Ticket brokers do serve a function (have you ever visited NYC and wanted to get tickets for a Broadway play? - you have to use a ticket broker). They just shouldn't be the only source of tickets other than the band.
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Also scored Saturday Night at Charleston. No problem at all.
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@ggergm said: I also saw somebody else got Charleston through Ticketmaster. This is excellent news. If the system gets fixed so that Joe Blow, or in this case joechip, can once again buy tickets on the onsale date, as opposed to all of them disappearing in a matter of seconds, then everything is back to being cool. Ticket brokers do serve a function (have you ever visited NYC and wanted to get tickets for a Broadway play? - you have to use a ticket broker). They just shouldn't be the only source of tickets other than the band.Not to be overly positive, but I do think the system is getting better, in large part due to some of the lawsuits and charges that have come about in recent years. Not much time to get into detail, but Springsteen got in a big fight with ticketmaster a while back over their old practice of re-routing ticket buyers to an in-house broker...things were a lot shadier at TM a few years ago and I think they've cleaned up their act somewhat.
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Indeed I just scored a ton of tickets for Charleston with ease thirty minutes after the onsale time...hoping tomorrow will be similar
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Just scored a single Utica over the phone from TM.Makes me hopeful for AC tomorrow.
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@MJZ1974 said: The Red Wings - Penguins game 7 at JLA 2 years agoAHHHHHH!!!! I LOVE YOU MAX TALBOT!!!!!!!
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