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This was sent to a PT'er, not me.http://phantasytour.com/bands/1/topics/2719486/posts
From: Kevin Shapiro Add to Contacts
To: ewarringer@gmail.com
Cc: Paul Glace
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ewarringer:
it has come to my attention that you are copying and trading officially released files in violation of phish's taping policy. specifically, under the user name shinola88 you have mass-distributed all the official livephish.com releases to-date from summer tour 2011 (5/27/11 bethel, 5/28/11 bethel, 5/29/11 bethel and 5/31/11 holmdel) by emailing links to users of the phantasy tour message board. you have also stated your intention to continue distributing official releases, which will not be tolerated.
i bcc'd those who submitted their emails requesting your files and informed the service providers of this activity so they can take appropriate measures based on the types of accounts and terms of service. there are many sources of live phish music freely available to all the recipients of this notice that respect the band's rights and wishes. according to the taping policy at http://phish.com/#/faq/taping-guidelines , official releases are the only audio source that may not be legally copied or traded.
to comply with this notice, you must immediately cease and desist illegal copying or trading of these or any officially released files and immediately remove them from any place from which they may be shared or transmitted, including personal email or messaging. also, please confirm via: email that you understand these actions violate phish's taping policy as well as federal and state copyright and/or trademark law and that you will not violate the band's taping policy again.
thank you for your prompt cooperation. sincerely,
--ks
http://phantasytour.com/bands/1/topics/2718347/posts
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amen, bless the tapers AUDs sound better anyways 
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shinola88posted here a few times recently
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even a link to PT is like a stain on this forum.
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@forbin1 said:
FYI - I used to be able to read PT at work and now my work IT system that blocks sites has it registered as "blocked - file sharing site" or something like that.
It's gotten so bad over there that mcafee thinks its a straight up file sharing site and not a messageb oard.
shinola88 posted here a few times recentlyI think he started the "what happened to PT" thread.
FYI - I used to be able to read PT at work and now my work IT system that blocks sites has it registered as "blocked - file sharing site" or something like that.
It's gotten so bad over there that mcafee thinks its a straight up file sharing site and not a messageb oard.
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Within the last day or 2, someone offered an upload or might have posted a link to all the Bethel livephish recordings. I'm trying to find the post, but cant remember any of the exact words to do a search on...
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@BigPimpinNYC said: @forbin1 said:same here when it comes to work.shinola88 posted here a few times recentlyI think he started the "what happened to PT" thread. FYI - I used to be able to read PT at work and now my work IT system that blocks sites has it registered as "blocked - file sharing site" or something like that. It's gotten so bad over there that mcafee thinks its a straight up file sharing site and not a messageb oard.
this led to my switch to .net, basically for good. i check there from time to time but this site is like a fresh of breath air...and i am drinking it in.
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So stupid, the people at LivePhish offer us something pretty unique and work hard to deliver it to us. I had a problem with my Bethel codes after attempting to download the shows while in, let's just call it a less sober state, and they responded to my email in legitimately less than 5 minutes yesterday afternoon and worked with me step by step to help resolve the issue. It's disappointing that something like this would happen
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@johnnyd said: Within the last day or 2, someone offered an upload or might have posted a link to all the Bethel livephish recordings. I'm trying to find the post, but cant remember any of the exact words to do a search on...on this site?
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AUDs do NOT sound better. I cannot stand this. I have a friend that thinks this and it drives me mental. He says soundboards are too sterile, which is total nonsense. I want to hear fish's kickdrum, not some spun out wook who has been yelling the entire set.
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@BigPimpinNYC said: @forbin1 said: [quote]mcafee thinks its a straight up file sharing site and not a messageb oard.The message board is just the facade, like how the head shops will sell candy or t-shirts in the front and make you go to the back for the REAL business.
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@phrankG said:
AUDs do NOT sound better. I cannot stand this. I have a friend that thinks this and it drives me mental. He says soundboards are too sterile, which is total nonsense. I want to hear fish's kickdrum, not some spun out wook who has been yelling the entire set.Agreed. Great effort is put into making the sbds sound right. It's being tweaked every night.
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@phrankG said: AUDs do NOT sound better. I cannot stand this. I have a friend that thinks this and it drives me mental. He says soundboards are too sterile, which is total nonsense. I want to hear fish's kickdrum, not some spun out wook who has been yelling the entire set.The taylorc auds of Bethel up on bt.etree.org sound amazing. No close mic chatter. Crisp, clear notes. Perfect amount of audience and crowd swells. Sounds like you are there.
People just go for the SBDs without even giving the AUDS a try. You should give the AUDS a try.
::I'm there now, Bethel N1 Walk Away::
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LivePhish releases are and have been widely available on torrent sites for a very long time now... I suppose he's only getting flack because he (stupidly) posted the links publicly, though.
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Believe me, I have many auds of both phish and grateful dead. Some do sound really great, but none sound better than their sbd equivalents if they exist. I don't want it to sound like I'm there at the show. I want it to sound better than that.
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Flame wars. GO!
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@phrankG said: Believe me, I have many auds of both phish and grateful dead. Some do sound really great, but none sound better than their sbd equivalents if they exist. I don't want it to sound like I'm there at the show. I want it to sound better than that.
Agreed.
Yes, some AUDs are very well done, and I suppose it can be argued that they better provide a feeling of "being there," but when it comes to SOUND QUALITY, that's what SBDs are for. Period.
Plus, paying for LivePhish both helps support the crew that creates them AND Mockingbird. Pretty cool.
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@forbin1 - nope, not that user or thread...
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I have a theory: that people who prefer aud's have been to a lot of shows and get just as much out of the feeling of being in the crowd as they get from the actual music. Sort of like nostalgia.
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@JayDubya said: @phrankG said:you took the words out of my mouth Jay! taylorc has got it down pat! just finished all three nights from Bethal, perfect, on par with any board i am sure.AUDs do NOT sound better. I cannot stand this. I have a friend that thinks this and it drives me mental. He says soundboards are too sterile, which is total nonsense. I want to hear fish's kickdrum, not some spun out wook who has been yelling the entire set.The taylorc auds of Bethel up on bt.etree.org sound amazing. No close mic chatter. Crisp, clear notes. Perfect amount of audience and crowd swells. Sounds like you are there. People just go for the SBDs without even giving the AUDS a try. You should give the AUDS a try. ::I'm there now, Bethel N1 Walk Away::
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@phishfillet said: you took the words out of my mouth Jay! taylorc has got it down pat! just finished all three nights from Bethal, perfect, on par with any board i am sure.::Moves on to Bethel N1 Stash::
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And now, YYZ.
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@Frizz said: Flame wars. GO!You know what else is better about the AUD recordings? You get to hear it when a glowstick hits the mic. It's just like getting hit in the face with one.
Glowsticks.
::Bethel N1 Boucining Around The room::
Just got goosebumps from the crowd singing "I Awoke" don't get that on a SBD.
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@johnnyd said: @forbin1 said:Missed that... please advise if it is still there, we'll obviously nuke it.on this site?Yes. It was a short post buried in the middle of a thread.
As y'all know we have very (very) few specific rules around here, but you all have accepted the phish.net Terms of Use and so know that links to pirated LivePhish or any other official Phish recordings are way out-of-bounds.
If such links are posted here, please pm any of the admins (myself, @jackl, @sethadam1, @icculus etc) so we can deal appropriately.
Friendly Reminder'd...
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@JayDubya said: ::Bethel N1 Boucining Around The room::That would have been me. I was 3 rows behind the tapers that night, and most certainly singing that part.
Just got goosebumps from the crowd singing "I Awoke" don't get that on a SBD.
Count me in the "Loves a good AUD" side of the camp.
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@johnnyd said: @forbin1 - nope, not that user or thread...I'm on a quest to find this now...I'll sleuth around some more...heading out to PNC in a few...
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@johnnyd said: That would have been me. I was 3 rows behind the tapers that night, and most certainly singing that part.::Listens again, picks out @johnnyd's voice::
Nice.
Bouncin and Runaway Jim are the two songs at the top of my "need to see list". Have missed those two common songs over the 15 years I've been seeing the band.
::Heads to Kill Devil's Falls::
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Check out Bouncin' on ALO. I don't care to hear the crowd too much. I'd rather hear the music than a bunch of inebriated dumbasses like myself. SBDs allow you to hear the crowd at appropriate moments. If you guys love auds so
much i would gladly take your download codes.
much i would gladly take your download codes.
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just thought I'd add, those of you who love the aud's, if that means you haven't heard the sbd's at all, Shapiro does a really good job of levelling the crowd noises in and out of the mix. at the beginning of a track it sounds almost like a good aud, then when the song gets going the crowd noise fades out to focus on the music. almost like tricking you into thinking that the audience is just being really polite. but we know better.
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@phrankG said: If you guys love auds so much i would gladly take your download codes.I can't direct link bt.etree.org here at work. But bt.etree.org has the taylorc recordings I'm raving about.
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jaydubya i will check these recordings out, and as i said, I don't doubt that these sound fantastic. However, it seems impossible to me that they could be on par with a mixed soundboard.
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@JayDubya said: @phrankG said:AMEN to that Brother.... I've been jamming to day 2 and just started jamming to day 3 all day at work through my Sony over the ear headphones and its as good as being at the show (lying...nothings better then being live)....but the music is free and legal from tapers and i wanna hear some aud chatter.....AUDs do NOT sound better. I cannot stand this. I have a friend that thinks this and it drives me mental. He says soundboards are too sterile, which is total nonsense. I want to hear fish's kickdrum, not some spun out wook who has been yelling the entire set.The taylorc auds of Bethel up on bt.etree.org sound amazing. No close mic chatter. Crisp, clear notes. Perfect amount of audience and crowd swells. Sounds like you are there.
People just go for the SBDs without even giving the AUDS a try. You should give the AUDS a try.
::I'm there now, Bethel N1 Walk Away::
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but he got a personal email from kevin shapiro! how cool is that!
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@benevolution said:
just thought I'd add, those of you who love the aud's, if that means you haven't heard the sbd's at all, Shapiro does a really good job of levelling the crowd noises in and out of the mix. at the beginning of a track it sounds almost like a good aud, then when the song gets going the crowd noise fades out to focus on the music. almost like tricking you into thinking that the audience is just being really polite. but we know better.Shapiro does not record the soundboards.
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To be honest I highly doubt this is actually Shapiro...but regardless, whoever wrote it has good intentions...download AUDs or pay for the release!
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@curleyfrei said: LivePhish releases are and have been widely available on torrent sites for a very long time now... I suppose he's only getting flack because he (stupidly) posted the links publicly, though.this. Anyone stupid enough to post these on PT is stupid enough to enjoy posting on PT. Thus, stupid.
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Is this the thread where we bag on PTers?C'mon .net. You're better than that.
Obviously posting links is stupid, as well as illegally downloading said links. Let's try not to let our bias against certain PTers color our whole perception of people who post on the green board.
::climbs off soap box::
That is all.
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Yeah, we wouldn't have GMdotNET threads without the PT Refugee All Stars so SIMMAH DON NAH. Don't bite the hand that feeds. Love em'? Don't want them yoinked? Don't post links, pretty fuggin' simple if you ask me.
/I HATE muddy AUD's
//Give me soundboard or give me death.
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I think the whole AUD/SBD argument is for another thread.I just hoped this thread might sway one or two folks hanging on the fence of "should I grab a free SBD?"
Grab an audience copy first for free, if you like the show, dl the LivePhish to support the band
I've bought the hd flacs for all the shows I really enjoyed and I still have auds for all those shows anyways. There are benfits/drawbacks to both aud/sbd.
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I think the least I can do is support/follow the band's guidelines. I have purchased a lot of tunes from LP over the years, and buy today when I want a SBD. I also think a quality AUD is special but isn't the spreadsheet the best place to d/l AUDs?
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If I was Phish, I would just give away all the soundboards for free.
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@JayDubya said: @phrankG said:taylorc is definitely one of the best if not the best and when I'm impatient and money is too tight to get the sbd I will definitely get his aud. but the reason i don't use etree anymore is i just got too burned out downloading the flac or shn, then converting it to mp3 and manually keying in all the data so I can listen to it on my ipod. Like I've said before, maybe my ears aren't as awesome as some of yours, but I can't hear any difference between the original flac and the converted mp3. I've done A/B tests numerous times to see if there really is a difference and (on my modestly-priced speakers/earphones) there just isn't. plus I save a ton of disk space. If I want an aud I will get it off the spreadsheet where its already in my format of choice. Since there is just one of each show on the spreadsheet, I assume whoever it is that posts the shows has cherrypicked the best ones from those which are available on etree. I could be wrong, but that would be the most logical thing to do. Does anyone know whose auds the spreadsheet will typically have? I'm guessing taylorc's cause they're usually the best and the first to be posted.If you guys love auds so much i would gladly take your download codes.I can't direct link bt.etree.org here at work. But bt.etree.org has the taylorc recordings I'm raving about.
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taylorc's are itunes ready. Convert to mp3 and drop in itunes. Song titles are already coded.I like to have the FLACS, because I'm insane. I have bins of CD's containing SHN and FLAC files. I used to convert the flacs directly to WAV and listen on CD, until I discovered the ipod (this year)
Now I convert the FLACs to MP3 and listen on my ipod. I keep a backup copy of the FLACS burned to a disc. I'm going to burn the entire summer 2011 tour FLACs to DVD-Rs and stick them in a box, probably to never be opened again.
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I do the spreadsheet for the same reasons benevolution states. Plus they are no muss no fuss. Some even have a cool picture that loads into iTunes, making it look sweet in the menu.
