how is trading codes STEALING? Only one person is getting the code. After its been used, you can't use the code again

^^^agreed. Code for code is legit. Giving away a code is legit. If i buy a cd and give it to you, it's yours

the only way you can 'steal' a code is to write down the code, then sell the ticket and use the code before the other guy has a chance to. its not exactly stealing the product, more like stealing the coupon. but its still a shitty thing to do and im hoping that when i do get a ticket in the lot that the code will be good. i'll end up paying for the show if it isnt. BTW, I'm downloading the SBD from tonight legally as I type this. I feel good forking over the dough for an excellent show. Just wish I could have been there.

learned my lesson'd

@benevolution said:

the only way you can 'steal' a code is to write down the code, then sell the ticket and use the code before the other guy has a chance to. its not exactly stealing the product, more like stealing the coupon. but its still a shitty thing to do and im hoping that when i do get a ticket in the lot that the code will be good. i'll end up paying for the show if it isnt. BTW, I'm downloading the SBD from tonight legally as I type this. I feel good forking over the dough for an excellent show. Just wish I could have been there.

Sometimes if I sell the ticket for less than face or give it away, I'll write down the code and use it, but I tell the person I'm selling it to. It seems only fair that if I'm eating a portion of the ticket costs I should be able to get something out of it.

@joechip I will check those out...I have that Road Trips release so I can compare them.

AUDs do NOT sound better. Any way you look at it. That's why this is an issue.

Did you seriously bump a thread from a year and a half ago just to have this stupid debate again?

Look, it's a matter of opinion. Some people think AUDs sound better, some don't. And AUDs and SBDs both vary quite a bit in quality, so saying "AUDs are better/worse" is a stupid generalization anyway.

::looks at thread date::

Kys

Well, at least he used the search function...

I guess

He does this all the time if I remember right.

Hence why I buy most of my LP.

Most mp3 auds I find are terribly mixed and way too boomy. Tapers should convert more to mp3; I don't torrent.

There is nothing funny about people who steal LivePhish :/

The same way there is nothing funny about a rhinocerous about to charge your ass.

Matrix remasters or STFU!

@mattsox94 said:

I run into a conundrum that others may face as well. Isn't streaming the SBD's/proshot videos on YouTube just as bad as tormenting them? Why or why not?

Hmmm, interesting point. There have been links on .net to those proshot videos. Are they for informational purposes only? I guess you can't purchase them to view after the fact.

I SUPPORT KEVIN!

@benevolution said:

even a link to PT is like a stain on this forum.

I love the smell of my own farts too

@ledzepmaster said:

Hence why I buy most of my LP.

Most mp3 auds I find are terribly mixed and way too boomy.

ORTF'd the ones below are not boomy.

@ledzepmaster said:

Tapers should convert more to mp3; I don't torrent.

12/31/12
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/p5kken 165MB @320mp3
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jyo3dp 159MB
Set 3: http://www.sendspace.com/file/k0xj50 173MB
lossless
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/3gj61j 365MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/0naedf 350MB FLAC16
Set 3: http://www.sendspace.com/file/1ijwkb 373MB FLAC16

12/30/12
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/248exl 190MB @320
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/lkxubh 207MB
Lossless
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/fujemm 395MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/2quybm 429MB FLAC16

12/29/12
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5ni1xg 178MB @320
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qcc9kq 202MB @320
Lossless:
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/f61byu 397MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ufpvs3 469MB FLAC16

12/28/12 (Scotty B's TLM170 pull - I missed some of the first set)
Whole show @320 > http://www.sendspace.com/file/rdoijo 396MB
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qvj3zy 183MB
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/40rj3k 213MB
Lossless
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/w8dz5e 498.5MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8k8kc1 501MB FLAC16

9/2/12
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/x64hox 226MB @320 mp3
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a0ncj5 205MB @320 mp3
FLAC version:
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/zalx1j 518MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/orxbns 457MB FLAC16

9/1/2012
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dkxwwj 201MB @320 mp3
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5giko1 203MB @320
Lossless:
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/npjr6m 465MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qgqld4 528MB FLAC16

8/31/12 = Scotty B's FOB tlm170 (hypercardioid)
phish2012-08-31all.tlm170.mp3.zip > http://www.sendspace.com/file/3u7bmi 370MB @320
Lossless:
Set 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/lgj0xv 455MB FLAC16
Set 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a0y7ur 437MB FLAC16

i was on the sbds for a while
now i'm back on the auds, more of the sound of the actual show
sbds were good for getting a louder page in the mix, i feel at the shows page is a little turned down and the sbds seem to even it out a bit.
but what the tapers can do these days is amazing and i applaud their work, because they could just up and quit because livephish has made them kinda redundant, so it's cool the tapers are still doing this out of the love

@johnnyd said:

@TwiceBitten said:

@mattsox94 said:

I run into a conundrum that others may face as well. Isn't streaming the SBD's/proshot videos on YouTube just as bad as tormenting (sic) them? Why or why not?

and doesn't it violate the terms of use to post them on .net just like if you posted a SBD link? I've never seen anyone complain. Double standard, hypocrisy or what? @johnnyd, @sethadam1, etc...

I don't want to be the one to ruin the party though...

The basic position re the youtube proshot vids on youtube is, that if Phish Inc. (generically) had a problem with it, they can have the content pulled from youtube. But they havent. A link for one to grab, as opposed to view, the vids is more gray territory, and we'd probably view that as a violation.

We're not here trying to police every little thing or be killjoys. But the Mockingbird Foundation does enjoy and benefit from a relationship with LivePhish, and we (MBF, site team, many users) ALL respect and are grateful for the band's historical policy re taping and aud recordings, and we ALL respect their intellectual property and rights to their copyrighted material. Redistribution of said copyrighted material on this website will not be tolerated at all. Users who knowingly and willfully violate this ToU will be excommunicated (so to speak), with extreme prejudice.

Maybe @jackl, @ericwyman, @pzerbo et. al. will weigh in, but I think that accurately (if simplistically) explains our position.

(I can't believe we are having this AUD v SBD debate again...oh, yes, I guess we can, it being the middle of winter and summer tour being five months away :-)

As to ToU and "pirate links", couldn't say it better than @JohnnyD or add anything. As to AUD vs. SBD, the quality of AUDs varies widely due to the skill of the taper, the types of microphones used, the placement of the mics (section vs. FOB), the acoustics of the room ("boominess" , etc. etc. You really can't generalize about AUDS...some are wonderful, some suck. (And back in the day before CD-Rs and burners became widespread, there was the additional issue of digital to analog transfers and analog casette "generations" .

This is pretty much an academic debate for shows in Phish shows 2.0 and 3.0 since LivePhish SBDs became available for every show after 12/31/02, but prior to that, there are a lot of shows (and most non-Dick's Picks Dead shows and other bands) which exist only in AUDs. Thank Icculus that Rob Clay and some other tapers got FOB for Big Cypress or we wouldn't be able to listen to that show now or many many others that never made it to LivePhish CDs/DVDs or download releases.

My 0.02

@jackl said:

@johnnyd said:

@TwiceBitten said:

@mattsox94 said:

I run into a conundrum that others may face as well. Isn't streaming the SBD's/proshot videos on YouTube just as bad as tormenting (sic) them? Why or why not?

and doesn't it violate the terms of use to post them on .net just like if you posted a SBD link? I've never seen anyone complain. Double standard, hypocrisy or what? @johnnyd, @sethadam1, etc...

I don't want to be the one to ruin the party though...

The basic position re the youtube proshot vids on youtube is, that if Phish Inc. (generically) had a problem with it, they can have the content pulled from youtube. But they havent. A link for one to grab, as opposed to view, the vids is more gray territory, and we'd probably view that as a violation.

We're not here trying to police every little thing or be killjoys. But the Mockingbird Foundation does enjoy and benefit from a relationship with LivePhish, and we (MBF, site team, many users) ALL respect and are grateful for the band's historical policy re taping and aud recordings, and we ALL respect their intellectual property and rights to their copyrighted material. Redistribution of said copyrighted material on this website will not be tolerated at all. Users who knowingly and willfully violate this ToU will be excommunicated (so to speak), with extreme prejudice.

Maybe @jackl, @ericwyman, @pzerbo et. al. will weigh in, but I think that accurately (if simplistically) explains our position.

(I can't believe we are having this AUD v SBD debate again...oh, yes, I guess we can, it being the middle of winter and summer tour being five months away :-)

As to ToU and "pirate links", couldn't say it better than @JohnnyD or add anything. As to AUD vs. SBD, the quality of AUDs varies widely due to the skill of the taper, the types of microphones used, the placement of the mics (section vs. FOB), the acoustics of the room ("boominess" , etc. etc. You really can't generalize about AUDS...some are wonderful, some suck. (And back in the day before CD-Rs and burners became widespread, there was the additional issue of digital to analog transfers and analog casette "generations" .

This is pretty much an academic debate for shows in Phish shows 2.0 and 3.0 since LivePhish SBDs became available for every show after 12/31/02, but prior to that, there are a lot of shows (and most non-Dick's Picks Dead shows and other bands) which exist only in AUDs. Thank Icculus that Rob Clay and some other tapers got FOB for Big Cypress or we wouldn't be able to listen to that show now or many many others that never made it to LivePhish CDs/DVDs or download releases.

My 0.02

All great points, but even copy and pasting an .mp3 is the same as transferring it from cassette to cassette, information is lost.

I have always prefered shitty audience recordings on maxell tapes. You kids are spoiled.

@roybelly said:

matrix anyone????

Best of both worlds....clean signal but you can still hear the guy cussing after tripping on coat mountain beside the tapers

I love a good matrix

@IntoYesterday said:

Also, I don't know what a matrix is.

a matrix is a mix that involves both a sbd recording and a top notch aud. they have a remarkably full sound. you get the crispness of the sbd and that "feel of the room" sound you can only get from an aud. off the top of my head, i think the copy of 12/29/98 on the spread sheet is a matrix. a gorgeous matrix at that.

Matrix, also illegal to spread and share.

But to the OP (even though it's old), Mr. Sharpiro's not really going after users who download a show, or even ten, but those who SUPPLY they shows for download.