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How much $$ does Phish make?

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skillz Permalink
agreed
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Phan21 Permalink
Phan21 I dont know but they will keep makin more of my money if they keep up this sweet jamming.
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Lemuria Phish.net Staff Permalink
Lemuria They could certainly make more, were it not for the reasonable ticket prices and lavish festivals.
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strikly_commerical Permalink
Billions. Everytime any comment pops up on this board they each make a nickel.
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RunawayKing Permalink
RunawayKing I heard Trey was worth 60 mil
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walstib Permalink
walstib In addition to the cost of the shows themselves they have staff that gets paid every week whether there's a show or not.

Just pointing out for those that think the end of the show is the end of the expense.

Bottom line is they are super rich any way you slice it.
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SpreadheadJON Permalink
SpreadheadJON I manage cash control for the 2 major Philadelphia Sports Teams on premises-gameday. Figure the Football Team makes 1 million a sold out game of 70,000 seats. in cash, just in concessions (food, beer, retail merch.)
Then ya gotta figure another million in cash in parking. seriously. I know the Phils get 30 percent of the $ made in the stadium. also, keep in mind, none of this includes credit card sales. Big venues are looking to make 30-40$ a seat once the people are inside, not including ticket sales or parking.
But sports teams make all the real dough on TV stations and Advertising. A deal with coke is what really pays the athletes salaries.

Major overhead for insurance, travel, employees. but mostly insurance.

Yea, That ish that just happened in Indiana before that concert was horrible. yall gotta utube it. Thanks god it didn't happen at a phish show, I couldn't imagine seeing that while spun out.

But my point is just that our boys do real well for themselves.
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themefromthepossum Permalink
they make plenty. why else do you think they reunited?
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DrWilson Permalink
DrWilson RunawayCory you make some decent guesstimates. but you are leaving a lot out. The security has to be paid, there are 8 semi-trucks worth of gear that need drivers, insurance, and fuel, that haul of that stuff from place to place. Thats not to mention the busses, one for each band member most likely, and then one or two for the crew. There is also insurance on the show itself, there has to be fiscal protection from what happened in Indiana the other day. I doubt very seriously if the band members are putting that much into their pockets everynight.
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Harry__Hood95 Permalink
Harry__Hood95 2 things I just remembered that (sort of) relate to this thread.

1. In college my fraternity looked into booking Widespread Panic to play our annual concert/fundraiser. This was 1998ish, and they would have cost $25K.

2. There was an article through .net a few months ago about other bands looking to Phish for advice on security dealing with unruly fans. O.A.R. was banned from playing Jones Beach, and their manager was quoted saying it cost them about $250K per show not being able to play there.
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TheArgus Permalink
TheArgus just checked that billboard link at the top of the thread, they made 33,240,962 in 43 shows last year. that is 773k and some change per show. I was pretty close with my estimates
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TheArgus Permalink
TheArgus @castinajig said:
@Gallium said:
I would bet the band probably takes home somewhere around 60k a show at the most. Out of the million or so per night a LOT goes to the venue, security, roadies, techs, etc (and there is a lot of etc). I shed no crocodile tears for the Phish guys as they deserve everything they get and could easily charge an additional 20 per ticket. I would hope they all clear a cool million on the summer, but that is probably pushing it.
why would they bother?I would think it has to be more than 60k. Really I am by no means an expert on finance, but this number seems low.
I wouldn't bitch about 60k a show if I was in a band. each member gets 15k a night times like say 50 shows a year=750k a year from shows alone. not including album/merch sales. I am sure the total is much higher though. tickets cost an average of 50(before ticketbastard fee's). Lets say about 15k people per show. That is 750,000 a show in ticket sales. I'd guess the venue takes about 20% of that at the most, given that they can sell food/beer/parking. say the average patron spends 10 to park and about 25 on food/drink, that is over 500,000. subtract the costs (which are probably 5% of the revenue) and the venue is making just under 500k. They really don't need to take a large cut of the ticket price. I'd say maybe 5-10% if ticket sales goes to paying the bands crew (37-75k) per show. Maybe another 10% for lighting/speakers/energy. I'd say the remaining like 60% (450k) goes to the band. so they're making roughly 112,500 a night on average as far as I can see

x 50 shows a year= 5,625,000
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DrWilson Permalink
DrWilson The promoter puts up all the money and takes all of the risk. Usually at this level it is a flat fee that the promoter guarantees the band. Half is usually paid way in advance, the other half once the show happens. Phish makes the same amount of dough whether they sell out or not. The promoter is who makes extra dough with big sell outs. All expenses go through the promoter; i.e. security, the venue, local crew, any technical needs that the band will not provide, catering, etc. The promoter gets Phish and their crew and their leased gear for a price. The promoter gets the venue and all that they provide for a price. The promoter and the band may or may not get a cut of concessions from the venue. The promoter and the venue may or may not get a cut of merch from the band. The flat fee I guarantee you is well into the six figures, probably somewhere between two and three hundred grand. It is a complex money stream in the live music business, especially at the top level which Phish is certainly in. I worked in that industry for years.
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castinajig Permalink
castinajig @Gallium said:
I would bet the band probably takes home somewhere around 60k a show at the most. Out of the million or so per night a LOT goes to the venue, security, roadies, techs, etc (and there is a lot of etc). I shed no crocodile tears for the Phish guys as they deserve everything they get and could easily charge an additional 20 per ticket. I would hope they all clear a cool million on the summer, but that is probably pushing it.
why would they bother?I would think it has to be more than 60k. Really I am by no means an expert on finance, but this number seems low.
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Harry__Hood95 Permalink
Harry__Hood95 Does anyone know how it works with the major venues? Do they get a flat fee from the artist? Do they take a % of ticket sales? Does it vary based on the venue?
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Gallium Permalink
Gallium I would bet the band probably takes home somewhere around 60k a show at the most. Out of the million or so per night a LOT goes to the venue, security, roadies, techs, etc (and there is a lot of etc). I shed no crocodile tears for the Phish guys as they deserve everything they get and could easily charge an additional 20 per ticket. I would hope they all clear a cool million on the summer, but that is probably pushing it.
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TheArgus Permalink
TheArgus enough to make me jealous
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mathemagician Permalink
mathemagician Definitely more than me.
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waterinthesky Permalink
waterinthesky in 1998 Mike was medium Rich so I would guess he is really rich now......
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powerful_pills Permalink
powerful_pills @westbrook said:
^^^You sure its not Colby Bryant haha man just busting your chops
please tell me you're referencing good neighbor stuff. that stuff's hilarious
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leahdances Permalink
leahdances And the porn
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stuphoria Permalink
stuphoria Not sure how much, but I'm pretty sure Trey makes a significant amount more than the other guys for his writing and production credits on Phish and other artist's work.
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roybelly Permalink
roybelly @JackStrawDan said:
@roybelly said:
@Harry__Hood95 said:
@roybelly said:
costs a lot to rent big summer sheds....costs a lot to thump that sound gear....at times you can feel their gear reach out and brush your arms a bit....moving a lot of air in the low to low-mid range....suckle from the power pole my wee friends...suckle
Exactly. I can do the math on the gross revenue from a show, but what % of that makes it into the band's hands? Not to mention, how much are they making off all the merch? I couldnt believe all the official prints i saw getting sold this summer at $50 a pop.
one has to be realistic about these things....phish makes money but they are not by any means wealthy

definitions:
rich=kobe bryant
wealthy=the guy who writes kobe bryant's pay check

edit: I like the 1980's spelling better....colby
You for real or being sarcastic? Phish is not wealthy, they are more than wealthy, come time late nineties to today these guys have been making pure profit. If you don't think there making money of 25,000 seat venues sold out for $60+ dollars a piece the last 3 summers then I really don't know how you have any hope of ever being successful.

Phish is rich, as they should be, they rock, sell out stadiums not as a 25 man baseball/hockey team, as a 4 man band. Yes they have a crew, but so do the respective teams. Not to mention they have been paying there crew as part of their INC. since the early 90's, that in itself is very impressive. The band is very well run, managed, and without a doubt in my mind, very profitable. As for the exact numbers Phish makes, that would be tough to ever get ahold of.
I think we are just thinking of different scales.....phish are rock star rich.....as opposed to Bill Gates rich.....as opposed to Carnegie family rich. I wasn't jerking your chain...sorry if I sounded like I was being a smart ass.....it is all about points of reference.

I'm sure the boys are comfortable....nest eggs and enough to play wherever they please....maybe just rich enough to head back for another European campaign....there would be a lot of financial risk in that endeavor....may have to take a bit of a loss to make it happen, but if well received it might work out nicely

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Kurtzboy Permalink
Kurtzboy @York_Durden said:
They are nothing but a bunch of nouveau riche snobs. I used to clean Page McConnell's pool in [REDACTED], where he still lives. Every time I tried to sing him one of my songs and tell him how good I thought it would be for Phish to do, he would get all huffy and coldshouldered. Like the rest of them, he's an effete egomaniac with some decent chops but not much else going on. I don't care how much money they make, they are still just like the rest of us ordinary folks out here.
Was Page's pool as raging as his house?
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cUtiE Permalink
phish is $$$$
they hire english speaking pool bois.
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TheEmu Phish.net Staff Permalink
TheEmu @ledzepmaster said:
lol setlist essential "prince caspian"
Hehehehe, I saw that, too. Yes, dude, we all go to shows dying to hear f***erpants one more time. ;)
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JackStrawDan Permalink
JackStrawDan @roybelly said:
@Harry__Hood95 said:
@roybelly said:
costs a lot to rent big summer sheds....costs a lot to thump that sound gear....at times you can feel their gear reach out and brush your arms a bit....moving a lot of air in the low to low-mid range....suckle from the power pole my wee friends...suckle
Exactly. I can do the math on the gross revenue from a show, but what % of that makes it into the band's hands? Not to mention, how much are they making off all the merch? I couldnt believe all the official prints i saw getting sold this summer at $50 a pop.
one has to be realistic about these things....phish makes money but they are not by any means wealthy

definitions:
rich=kobe bryant
wealthy=the guy who writes kobe bryant's pay check

edit: I like the 1980's spelling better....colby
You for real or being sarcastic? Phish is not wealthy, they are more than wealthy, come time late nineties to today these guys have been making pure profit. If you don't think there making money of 25,000 seat venues sold out for $60+ dollars a piece the last 3 summers then I really don't know how you have any hope of ever being successful.

Phish is rich, as they should be, they rock, sell out stadiums not as a 25 man baseball/hockey team, as a 4 man band. Yes they have a crew, but so do the respective teams. Not to mention they have been paying there crew as part of their INC. since the early 90's, that in itself is very impressive. The band is very well run, managed, and without a doubt in my mind, very profitable. As for the exact numbers Phish makes, that would be tough to ever get ahold of.
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WasteOfTime Permalink
WasteOfTime They are monied, the band is profitable. It's not a pop band though, ignoring their 'wage' they are still a band that has to get up and go to work...I doubt any of the recordings are putting their kids through college, that's what SBIX was for.

Economics of scale. Right now Phish is stuck in sheds 15-30 thousand. The unmentionable most profitable live band in history pulled it off with multiple night sellout runs at Giants Stadium and RFK... That'll keep you trucking on and on and on.
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NigelTufnel Permalink
NigelTufnel Trey, Bittersweet Extras:

"Rich enough to not have to practice anymore!!"
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forbin1 Permalink
forbin1 I'm pretty sure they have plenty of money...Although, I remember hearing a couple of a while back, that they lost a lot of money due to some sort of Ponzi scheme...maybe late 90's?
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roybelly Permalink
roybelly @BathtubG said:
@York_Durden said:
They are nothing but a bunch of nouveau riche snobs. I used to clean Page McConnell's pool in [REDACTED], where he still lives. Every time I tried to sing him one of my songs and tell him how good I thought it would be for Phish to do, he would get all huffy and coldshouldered. Like the rest of them, he's an effete egomaniac with some decent chops but not much else going on. I don't care how much money they make, they are still just like the rest of us ordinary folks out here.
If I were Page and my pool guy tried to give me pointers about Phish I'd probably fire his ass. Just do your job keep the pool blue and wet and I'll do mine. I'm going to just laugh at the rest.
actually.....maybe this was the reason that they did that acapella free bird in 2009
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BathtubG Permalink
BathtubG @York_Durden said:
They are nothing but a bunch of nouveau riche snobs. I used to clean Page McConnell's pool in [REDACTED], where he still lives. Every time I tried to sing him one of my songs and tell him how good I thought it would be for Phish to do, he would get all huffy and coldshouldered. Like the rest of them, he's an effete egomaniac with some decent chops but not much else going on. I don't care how much money they make, they are still just like the rest of us ordinary folks out here.
If I were Page and my pool guy tried to give me pointers about Phish I'd probably fire his ass. Just do your job keep the pool blue and wet and I'll do mine. I'm going to just laugh at the rest.
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roybelly Permalink
roybelly @westbrook said:
^^^You sure its not Colby Bryant haha man just busting your chops
Image

I think I picked the wrong week to quit huffing glue
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westbrook Permalink
westbrook ^^^You sure its not Colby Bryant haha man just busting your chops
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roybelly Permalink
roybelly @Harry__Hood95 said:
@roybelly said:
costs a lot to rent big summer sheds....costs a lot to thump that sound gear....at times you can feel their gear reach out and brush your arms a bit....moving a lot of air in the low to low-mid range....suckle from the power pole my wee friends...suckle
Exactly. I can do the math on the gross revenue from a show, but what % of that makes it into the band's hands? Not to mention, how much are they making off all the merch? I couldnt believe all the official prints i saw getting sold this summer at $50 a pop.
one has to be realistic about these things....phish makes money but they are not by any means wealthy

definitions:
rich=kobe bryant
wealthy=the guy who writes kobe bryant's pay check

edit: I like the 1980's spelling better....colby
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York_Durden Permalink
York_Durden They are nothing but a bunch of nouveau riche snobs. I used to clean Page McConnell's pool in [REDACTED], where he still lives. Every time I tried to sing him one of my songs and tell him how good I thought it would be for Phish to do, he would get all huffy and coldshouldered. Like the rest of them, he's an effete egomaniac with some decent chops but not much else going on. I don't care how much money they make, they are still just like the rest of us ordinary folks out here.
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ledzepmaster Permalink
ledzepmaster Live bait vol. 6 please hahaha
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Harry__Hood95 Permalink
Harry__Hood95 @roybelly said:
costs a lot to rent big summer sheds....costs a lot to thump that sound gear....at times you can feel their gear reach out and brush your arms a bit....moving a lot of air in the low to low-mid range....suckle from the power pole my wee friends...suckle
Exactly. I can do the math on the gross revenue from a show, but what % of that makes it into the band's hands? Not to mention, how much are they making off all the merch? I couldnt believe all the official prints i saw getting sold this summer at $50 a pop.
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roybelly Permalink
roybelly costs a lot to rent big summer sheds....costs a lot to thump that sound gear....at times you can feel their gear reach out and brush your arms a bit....moving a lot of air in the low to low-mid range....suckle from the power pole my wee friends...suckle
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ledzepmaster Permalink
ledzepmaster lol setlist essential "prince caspian"
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mesamark5 Permalink
their multi-millionares(period)
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Sprachtor Permalink
Sprachtor The total I remember. I am pretty sure it was 1.7 million for the entire garden run now that I think about. Tax that and remember you have a crew to pay.
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ledzepmaster Permalink
ledzepmaster So I'd guess maybe an average of 180,000 or so..
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Sprachtor Permalink
Sprachtor There was an article about last years NYE run. After paying off everyone involved they made something like 250,000 per show. Nice nights work. But that is prime time at MSG. Some of these summer stops, not so much.
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fluffhead978 Permalink
fluffhead978 well miley doesnt just do music so she also banks in on all the tv shows, movies, and merchandise.
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Harry__Hood95 Permalink
Harry__Hood95 I was wondering this the other day. I have very little knowledge of how much money musicians make, outside of what I used to pay bands to plan at my small club in Columbus.

So how much do you think Trey takes home in a given year of average touring? I think I remember reading in Nicki Sixx's book that the guys from Motley Crue would make less than $300-400K during a tour after expenses were paid. I read in my wife's latest People Magazine that Miley effing Cyrus cleared like $15MILLION last year, which makes me want to throw up.
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