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Dubstep. What is you?

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skipper Permalink
Dubstep is boy band quality music
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Mr_Palmer Permalink
Mr_Palmer It sucks it went mainstream. Really, I used to enjoy dubstep shows, ESPECIALLY EOTO shows, until rave-kids invaded. I went to a Bassnectar and Pretty Lights show last year. Had a blast, got f***ing wasted. Hella bitches. To each his own, ya' know?

EDIT: I will still see any Eoto show possible, they're the f***in' shit.
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PosterNutsack Permalink
@johnnyd said:
@Potato_Sacks said:
Theres a phine line between house/electronic and Dubstep.
Thats not really true. It barely makes sense.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to come off as a dick, but I don't even know how to respond to that statement.
I agree that there is a fine line. It seems very ridiculous to over analyze the different sub genres of any type of music. Obviously there is a line to be drawn somewhere, and judging by how deep you guys have gone into it, we don't agree where that line should be drawn. Dubstep is clearly not easy to define. It just seems counter productive to continue creating new names for old ideas. Use some adjectives in front of electronic and I'm sure you could get your point across.

Like postrock? WTF? rock has been around for a while, along with more or less ambient approaches. WTF differentiates post rock from regular rock? The need to identify with something new and cutting edge as opposed to just rock? The need to be that hipster douchebag with his finger on the pulse of everything newer and cooler than what you know?

We are all clearly music fans, and I will trust your judgments. If someone can really argue the merits of splitting hairs to this point, outside of threads like this. My ears are open.
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd @PosterNutsack - I agree that it can get silly overanalyzing and over-categorizing subgenres, but to an extent it is necessary and useful if you are going to have any kind of informed discussion about music.

I'm not saying I disagree with the above statement, I'm saying it literally doesn't make sense. Here is why:
Electronic music - a huge genre of music, basically at the top tier of categorization. Not only including dance music, but also all kinds of other production and ambient sounds.
House music - a broad subset underneath electronic dance music
Dubstep - a much narrower subset of electronic dance music, who's roots and origins are on a totally separate branch from house music.

The above sentence is like saying: "There is a fine line between red/color and teal."
Or as a musical metaphor: "There is a fine line between folk/Popular music and grunge."

Granted someone can produce a crossover track that might utilize elements of both house and dubstep, but in general they are quite different and easily distinguishable.
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McgruppsTravels Permalink
McgruppsTravels I always thought up until recently that Dubstep was some sort pf dance! Go figure
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krs10 Permalink
krs10 My band plays dub reggae with a steppers beat... does that count?
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd @krs10 said:
My band plays dub reggae with a steppers beat... does that count?
Lucky for you, no. You should run away from this thread before it kills all your brain cells.
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LedZeppelin Permalink
LedZeppelin There is good dubstep out there. Unfortunatley, you have to dig through all the repitive in-your-face brostep where the bass wobble is the primary sound. EOTO, Skrillex, Rusko, etc... is all crap you have to get past in order to find this good dubstep.
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RunawayKing Permalink
RunawayKing As long as people are having fun who cares... It doesn't bother me that people enjoy music that I dont care for. If I don't like it, I just don't listen to it. That doesn't mean I have to go around and bash the People that are into it...
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VibeOfLife Permalink
VibeOfLife to each their own
but for me ...
dubstep is an instant headache :)
it's true, I tried, it doesn't work for me
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd This is hilarious:


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JayDubya Permalink
JayDubya It makes him look fairly chavvy
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benevolution Permalink
benevolution Help! My girlfriend likes Skrillex!
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007below Permalink
007below @Mr_Palmer said:
It sucks it went mainstream. Really, I used to enjoy dubstep shows, ESPECIALLY EOTO shows, until rave-kids invaded. I went to a Bassnectar and Pretty Lights show last year. Had a blast, got f***ing wasted. Hella bitches. To each his own, ya' know?

EDIT: I will still see any Eoto show possible, they're the f***in' shit.
EOTO KICKS ASS and is the only dub i really listen to.
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd



Watch the guy's face get all evil as he keeps holding the button down...
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JayDubya Permalink
JayDubya I listened to this today. It was good spreadsheet manipulation music.



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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd +1. Nice find. One of my favorite djs currently. Not dubstep though, definitely more in the deep house genre.
Pretty sure I get a pass from the Mrs. if I can ever hook that up. But actually I'm not sure which team she plays for. Will be seeing her next week and report all findings.
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bucketfulofthoughts Permalink
bucketfulofthoughts Im a big fan of electronic music. House, Drum n Bass, Techno, etc etc...got into it back in 99-2000, stopped listening to it (not totally but a good bit) back in like 2005-2006, which was before dubstep got real big. I've tried to check it out recently, but most of it just sounds like noise, not music...I have found a few tracks I like though, so I can't say I hate it all...but most of it I find un-listenable. just my $0.02
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RR1994 Permalink
I'm a little bit younger than most of you (I think). I just finished college. Let me tell you, dub step is big, and I HATE dub step. With that said, among the majority of college age kids rap is king. As much as I hate duh step, I feel that without it the only thing kids would listen to is rap/hip-hop. Imagine you sit down with a teenager at a coffee shop or something and strike up a cOnversation. You ask what music they listen to. They say "I listen to rap." or they say "I listen to dub step." which would you have more in common with? If not for dub step rap would be just about all kids would listen to. In a way, the jam band scene and music in general would be totally overruled if not for dubstep, which is kind of the last stand of up and coming music before tap completely takes over.

Don't take my word for it though. Go look at the billboard hot 100
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd I love how music is a competition.
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beanholestatus Permalink
beanholestatus used to like EOTO but now i even find them repetitive and annoying.
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maplesteam Permalink
@benevolution said:
Help! My girlfriend likes Skrillex!
help yourself to another girl, preferably one with ears.
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elton_john Permalink
elton_john *sigh*.....
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myMomaDontDance Permalink
myMomaDontDance @CleverRuse said:
They say, "Oh Phish, isn't that the band that plays 30 minutes of the same song?"
To each their own yes, but you've got to be an ignorant moron to listen to a 30 min jam from Phish and say it was 'the same song' I'd probably punch whoever said this to me in the throat.

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SconyMack Permalink
SconyMack By calling it garbage, you're giving it too much credit.
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WordsFromASong Permalink
WordsFromASong @johnnyd said:
Mala Mix
Trying this on for the first time. This is a trillion times better than Skrillex (I can't listen to that shit for a second.)
Not sure how I'd dance to this, but its cool. Thank you to the EDM people on .net for patiently opening this door.
Will try the others you mention as well and report back.
::supposed to be researching schools
:::researches music instead

edit: also, my dogs aren't digging all this bass
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd suite bump, @JayDubya.

Always good for some lulz.
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WordsFromASong Permalink
WordsFromASong @JayDubya said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAba9Mjoinw

Wowza
Okay so that is killer coming from a dude's mouth and not a computer. Unbelievable.
now i'm picturing @johnnyd, @JayDubya like this:



and this (I think this guy is amazing/hate the music)


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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd @WordsFromASong said:
edit: also, my dogs aren't digging all this bass
Our cats love drum and bass. When we first got them we were listening to tons of that and they'd be tearing ass all over the house. I was a little worried we were gonna drive them crazy, but 3-4 years later, its clear they find it soothing.
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myMomaDontDance Permalink
myMomaDontDance @phan83 said:
I wanna hear a phish dubstep remix. who's with me?

What song would you choose?

Hmm........
Gotta be Carini
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JettaJ Permalink
JettaJ Wow, I guess being isolated up here has it's advantages. Glad I never heard of this before. Wish I had never opened this thread.
On the other hand, I drive a turbo VDub that's much more impressive than this crap.
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spencur6 Permalink
spencur6 I was wondering if this tread would ever resurface. Glad to see it did because i recently found out what real dubstep is...America did it wrong lol.
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Wbcjohnlennon Permalink
I used to like dubstep, I thought it was fun. Then, I went to an outdoor food truck festival, and they were playing dubstep. All I could hear was the bass and the drum beat, and it was the most simplistic monotonous thing I have listened to. It was then that I realized it was an incredibly simple form of "music". To me now its just a random string of sounds, it doesn't have the emotional background and creativity that makes music music.
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LedZeppelin Permalink
LedZeppelin @TheArgus said:
despite common belief, there is good dubstep. Check out Burial.
YEEESSS!!!

I hate brostep, but Dubstep is really cool. Check out...

Burial
Neil Landstrumm
Boxcutter
2562
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ski2sea Permalink
ski2sea There is a big electronic festival called WTF playing on the east side of Mt. Hood during the weekend of Phish. http://whatthefestival.com/ Too bad it is the same weekend as Phish. I doubt much dubstep will be played. I think the dubstep revolution is over. Perhaps some evolution will come of it. I like it in certain aspects. I remember last Phish show at the Gorge was when it was introduced to me. It was mesmerizing. Especially all the kids reping bacon belts, and jesus pictures. I digress. I like Benjio, check out his mixes on soundcloud. https://soundcloud.com/benjio/inna-your-face-benjio
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Peezy Permalink
Peezy how many people in this thread has ever sat dow, set up a musical production software like ableton or logic, came up with ur own sounds, created a sampler device, croped a sample, set the eq's, quantizied the beat, quantizied the sample, added audio effects and alot more. Its actually alot harder than people take it to be. Thats why i respect dubstep/edm artists especially that on top of all of that, they create a whole mix on the spot(just how phish creates jams...on the spot) and gets a whole group of people to dance and rage to their music. I not only resect dubstep.....i enjoy it aswell.
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LedZeppelin Permalink
LedZeppelin @Peezy said:
how many people in this thread has ever sat dow, set up a musical production software like ableton or logic, came up with ur own sounds, created a sampler device, croped a sample, set the eq's, quantizied the beat, quantizied the sample, added audio effects and alot more. Its actually alot harder than people take it to be. Thats why i respect dubstep/edm artists especially that on top of all of that, they create a whole mix on the spot(just how phish creates jams...on the spot) and gets a whole group of people to dance and rage to their music. I not only resect dubstep.....i enjoy it aswell.
Most EDM artists don't actually make their own sounds. Artists like Rusko, Skrillex, etc... all use pre-recorded sounds on already existing software.

Artists like Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards of Canada, etc... all make their own sounds which requires them to write code for software, since there is no existing software that's able to make the sounds they use.
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SoStupendous Permalink
SoStupendous @LedZeppelin said:
@Peezy said:
how many people in this thread has ever sat dow, set up a musical production software like ableton or logic, came up with ur own sounds, created a sampler device, croped a sample, set the eq's, quantizied the beat, quantizied the sample, added audio effects and alot more. Its actually alot harder than people take it to be. Thats why i respect dubstep/edm artists especially that on top of all of that, they create a whole mix on the spot(just how phish creates jams...on the spot) and gets a whole group of people to dance and rage to their music. I not only resect dubstep.....i enjoy it aswell.
Most EDM artists don't actually make their own sounds. Artists like Rusko, Skrillex, etc... all use pre-recorded sounds on already existing software.

Artists like Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards of Canada, etc... all make their own sounds which requires them to write code for software, since there is no existing software that's able to make the sounds they use.
I was going to say something like this. I dug a few 'dubstep' tracks when it was popular last year. It's fun and some artists are ok. It's certainly not sustainable in my opinion and I bet you'll see it die off this summer when all the hardcore fans burnout.

However, I can't hate on it and the younger kids that dig it because, if it's music that get's you off, then go and get off hard. OD on molly if that's your cup o' tea. Isn't getting off on music what we are all into?

Anyhow, I do want to echo @LedZeppelin. My experimentation with electronic music has led to me trying to emulate some of the sounds these artists use in software synth packages. It is quite challenging actually and you learn a lot about the intricacies of audio synthesis in the process. I do actually have great respect for an artist creating a really weird sound just because there's a lot of thought and creativity that goes into making that unique sound, more than you might think. However, if you make a 10 minute track that sounds purely like robots f***ing, I probably wont listen to much of it or dance to it. To some of these pop-'dub'-artists' credit they do make their own sounds. I thought Skrillex was actually one of them even though I know you can buy a lot of that stuff. Look up FM synthesis if you think it's just 'button pushing'.
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Peezy Permalink
Peezy @SoStupendous said:

However, I can't hate on it and the younger kids that dig it because, if it's music that get's you off, then go and get off hard. OD on molly if that's your cup o' tea. Isn't getting off on music what we are all into?


Thank you man. thats how music should be looked at.....NOT how you think it sounds.
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Pinhead_Larry Permalink
Pinhead_Larry Its all well and good to not like a genre of music, but to say its complete garbage, imo makes you no better than than the people who hate phish because of the fanbase or because the songs are too long. And isnt the phrase, "i would have to be on something to find pleasure out of listening to this kind of music" a common phrase for people who tend to hate phish or the dead? Also while i dislike skrillex/dubstep in general, the fanbase is quite interesting. Its almost more of a community, just like phish's fanbase. I cant remember what its called, but theres a video on youtube with some guy interviewing skrillex's fans, and while they act like idiots, they act like idiots as almost a family. I know ive ranted for a while, but topics like this really irritate me, probably because as a phish phan, i faced people saying almost the same things your saying about dubstep to me about phish pretty much on a daily basis in school. Alright now im done
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trellz Permalink
@TheStrawman said:
Personally not a huge fan of dubstep, its like a frat boy pissing contest to see who can make the grimiest wobble bass. whompfest. But I do appreciate some of and have grown to love and respect a wide variety of electronic music. I will make one recommendation, if you don't know Flying Lotus then you gotta check the guys stuff out. Hard to put into a box, but the guy is a Coltrane and make off kilter hip hop jazz. His album Cosmogramma is beautiful and probably my favorite album of the last couple years. Each of his albums highlight his growth as an artist.

Pretty much anything coming off of his Brainfeeder label is worth a listen. http://www.brainfeedersite.com/
Absolutely what this guy says.. Until the Quiet Comes is a great album as well - FlyLo's latest
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BackonthePossum Permalink
BackonthePossum The EDM scene uses the acronym P.L.U.R. which they use to bring everyone together as a family. it stands for
Peace Love Unity Respect. It it said to a fellow raver when trading bracelets, and is the common theme for most raves.
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SconyMack Permalink
SconyMack I've yet to find a single redeeming quality of dubstep.
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