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-Yet another hidden gem from fall 96'
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Page absolutely DESTROYS this hood
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lol bill u just find the "best jams" speadsheet?i think the note is F#
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i cheered when trey finally released that note. seriously sick.
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...HOW did he sustain that note so long? Besides magic, of course.
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@jerryguscia said: ...HOW did he sustain that note so long? Besides magic, of course.full hollow body + 2 or 3 monitors facing the guitar, a lot of gain from the two ts-9s and during those days he had his compressor turned way up plus a little jedi magic.
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Love this Hood, one of my favorites. Page goes nuts during the note.
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@MyRightToe said: -Yet another hidden gem from fall 96'Hidden??? This note was heralded 'round the world, bruh!
Except by me. I was getting busted by undercover for puffin' during this Hood.
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@ledzepmaster said:
lol bill u just find the "best jams" speadsheet?Could've sworn it was Gb...I'll need to listen again.
i think the note is F#
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@jerryguscia said:Plus some sort of loop/delay...there is a video of this on youtube somewhere, and you can see Trey play then note, kick on a pedal, then kick it off at the end. Still insanely sick....HOW did he sustain that note so long? Besides magic, of course.full hollow body + 2 or 3 monitors facing the guitar, a lot of gain from the two ts-9s and during those days he had his compressor turned way up plus a little jedi magic.
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@Brother said: @ledzepmaster said:LOL That's the same thing!lol bill u just find the "best jams" speadsheet?Could've sworn it was Gb...I'll need to listen again.
i think the note is F#
Two frets behind the G is an F meaning the fret in between is F#/Gb.
Atleast we know what the note is.
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@ledzepmaster said: @Brother said:Yes, they are two names for the same note, however they aren't exactly interchangable. It depends on the chord/scale/key signature being played at the moment. If you are playing in a key that contains an F, then you would call it a Gb. If you are playing a scale that contains a G or G#, then it will be referred to as an F#. This is so no letter is used twice, and all letters are used once.@ledzepmaster said:LOL That's the same thing!lol bill u just find the "best jams" speadsheet?Could've sworn it was Gb...I'll need to listen again.
i think the note is F#
Two frets behind the G is an F meaning the fret in between is F#/Gb.
Atleast we know what the note is.
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The single greatest note in rock and roll history.
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@mgh2001 said: @jerryguscia said:He also has a sustain switch on his guitar. If you watch videos closely, especially old vids, you can see him using it pretty frequently....HOW did he sustain that note so long? Besides magic, of course.full hollow body + 2 or 3 monitors facing the guitar, a lot of gain from the two ts-9s and during those days he had his compressor turned way up plus a little jedi magic.
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@benevolution said: 
I have no clue what note he was actually holding.
@ledzepmaster said:Haha I guess we need a sarcasm font for the internet.@Brother said:Yes, they are two names for the same note, however they aren't exactly interchangable. It depends on the chord/scale/key signature being played at the moment. If you are playing in a key that contains an F, then you would call it a Gb. If you are playing a scale that contains a G or G#, then it will be referred to as an F#. This is so no letter is used twice, and all letters are used once.@ledzepmaster said:LOL That's the same thing!lol bill u just find the "best jams" speadsheet?Could've sworn it was Gb...I'll need to listen again.
i think the note is F#
Two frets behind the G is an F meaning the fret in between is F#/Gb.
Atleast we know what the note is.
I have no clue what note he was actually holding.
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It is F#. @pricklyhairs I've never heard of this sustain switch you speak of. I know he has a switch for single coil to humbucker. Care to enlighten?
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@RoverPhish said: @mgh2001 said:I think thats the second TS9 he's turning on not a loop. The note fluctatates a little bit towards the end making me think its natural. I learned from the StrangeDesign forums that the sustain switch on Trey's guitar is a series/parallel toggle. Im getting my guitar wired up this way shortly for max sustain@jerryguscia said:Plus some sort of loop/delay...there is a video of this on youtube somewhere, and you can see Trey play then note, kick on a pedal, then kick it off at the end. Still insanely sick....HOW did he sustain that note so long? Besides magic, of course.full hollow body + 2 or 3 monitors facing the guitar, a lot of gain from the two ts-9s and during those days he had his compressor turned way up plus a little jedi magic.
Trey must have puffed a couple good nuggets to have that much patience.
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@mgh2001 said: It is F#. @pricklyhairs I've never heard of this sustain switch you speak of. I know he has a switch for single coil to humbucker. Care to enlighten?Here's a description of the Fernandez Sustain Switch that I found on google. Not sure if this is the one he uses but I know he had one on the old docs... not sure about the new ones.
http://www.kellyindustries.com/guitars/fernandes_sustainer_kit.html
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Ok that makes a lot more sense that it's a series to parallel switch.
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Watch an old video of Divided Sky and you will see him using it. I'd post one but I'm at work and youtube is blocked.
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Where did you see that he uses a sustainer? Most of the sites I've looked dont go into much detail on Trey's older rigs or guitars so you might be right but I've never heard that.
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the note goes from approx 4:56- 7:50 in the youtube video... aere there any known longer notes?
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@MomaDan said: Where did you see that he uses a sustainer? Most of the sites I've looked dont go into much detail on Trey's older rigs or guitars so you might be right but I've never heard that.I'm not convinced that he has one of those...
And yeah, while he has looped the same note which gives the same effect he isn't doing so here.
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@mgh2001 said: @MomaDan said:Whatever, I saw it a long time ago... not sure where. I wouldn't say it unless I was pretty certain. Paging @Looks2Much who I think may have been my source of information all those years ago.Where did you see that he uses a sustainer? Most of the sites I've looked dont go into much detail on Trey's older rigs or guitars so you might be right but I've never heard that.I'm not convinced that he has one of those... And yeah, while he has looped the same note which gives the same effect he isn't doing so here.
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I'm sorry I didn't mean to come off as a dick, I didn't phrase that very well. It is completely possible as you said, I truly have no concrete evidence either way I just wouldn't think Trey or P Languadoc would "resort" to using one of those given the big picture aka his rig as a whole. Seeing that natural reverb is one thing he definitely has enough of. Anyways, just my thoughts. I'd love to see someone who knows for certain.
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It's all good man. If my brother sees that I @mentioned him perhaps he can shed some light on that.I probably could've chosen my words better.
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@PricklyHairs I'm not saying your wrong just never heard of Trey using a sustainer, especially considering he has a compressor. Incorrect info gets spread all the time even from big sources. Like I mentioned in the other Trey rig thread, Brad Sarno said Trey uses the side of the pick then years later asked Trey who said he uses the regular point.
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TREY DOES NOT HAVE A BATTERY IN HIS GUITAR.However I've heard a rumor that Trey has a vacuum tube in the body, but I don't buy that either.
Those small two-way switches are for like said: Coil splitting of the humbuckers and the other is for series to parallel wiring.
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@ledzepmaster said: TREY DOES NOT HAVE A BATTERY IN HIS GUITAR.That's harder to believe than having a battery, haha.
However I've heard a rumor that Trey has a vacuum tube in the body, but I don't buy that either.
Those small two-way switches are for like said: Coil splitting of the humbuckers and the other is for series to parallel wiring.
second bolded: This is exactly what I thought each switch was for so I think we're on it.
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Has anyone ever tried emailing Paul L? Might be worth a shot...
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Theres 2 types of series wiring, one where each pickup is wired either in series/parallel, or both wired series/parallel to each other. Im getting the second option done, ill post my results here after my guitar is finished. If I remember of course
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@MomaDan said: Theres 2 types of series wiring, one where each pickup is wired either in series/parallel, or both wired series/parallel to each other. Im getting the second option done, ill post my results here after my guitar is finished. If I remember of courseAwesome! Please do try and remember. What type of guitar? I am looking to have mine rewired as well. I have a PRS Semi Hollow but the wiring is really pretty basic, very basic actually. As much as I like keeping things simple I've gotten to the point where I am screwing around with tone knobs and pickup toggle as much as Trey. Which of course is much easier when you have less than half of the options he does but I would like to have more at this point. But again, because it's so simple I can really change the tone very easily and quickly, as in play one riff in with one tone, the next bar play another riff in a different tone without missing a beat. I know if I had more options it wouldn't be as easy, at least that's what I think.
So please do let us know how you like it.
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Its a Les Paul Studio. I just bought some Wolfetone Dr Vintage pickups, some guitar makers like AO use them in the hollowbodies. I'm using 2 push/pull volume pots instead of switches due to cost of hacking up the guitar. 1 wired for the series parallel, the other for coil drop. Also trying a new tech, I've heard very good things about this guy. Your gonna have to use 4 conductor pickups for this type of wiring. My friend has the PRS McCarty hollowbody, which it sounds like you have too, their stock pups are only 2 conductor. We are using this wiring scheme: Series/coildrop
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@MomaDan said: Its a Les Paul Studio. I just bought some Wolfetone Dr Vintage pickups, some guitar makers like AO use them in the hollowbodies. I'm using 2 push/pull volume pots instead of switches due to cost of hacking up the guitar. 1 wired for the series parallel, the other for coil drop. Also trying a new tech, I've heard very good things about this guy. Your gonna have to use 4 conductor pickups for this type of wiring. My friend has the PRS McCarty hollowbody, which it sounds like you have too, their stock pups are only 2 conductor.Yup, I am going to replace the pickups whether I have it completely rewired or not. They're nice pickups but I would like to go with nicer aftermarket pickups. (never heard "pups", I like it lol)
We are using this wiring scheme: Series/coildrop
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Check out thegearpage.net Its a forum for pretty much everything guitar related. Best part might be the emporium section, people selling everything from guitars to pedals. I've bought and traded a bunch of stuff there.
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I have a PRS as well and I replaced the pickup's with SD 59's due to the fact the PRS pickup's were a little dull sounding to my ears. I also went with the RS Guitar Works vintage wiring kit and my guitar has never sounded more briliant(not harsh either) but still very woody and full. The kit gives you a coiltap option by pulling the tone knob but I have mine disconnected at the moment. I also have an american deluxe strat that I gutted and put custom shop '54's into, so between the two guitars I can achieve most sounds/tones I need.As for the "note" it was truly an awesome thing to witness.
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@PricklyHairs said:
He also has a sustain switch on his guitar. If you watch videos closely, especially old vids, you can see him using it pretty frequently.Sorry. No. He doesn't. There are three switches on the languedoc (pickup selector/coil drop/series-parallel) and none of them are a "sustain switch." He isn't looping the note either. The pedal he engages at the start of the note and disengages at the end is likely his second TS9. It's all a question of feedback between the chamber of his guitar and his monitors. That note is THE motherf*$&ing note, no doubt about it, but it isn't hard to pull off with his setup. No sustain switch or similar tool is needed.
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@ProfessorDude said: @PricklyHairs said:A little late to the party.He also has a sustain switch on his guitar. If you watch videos closely, especially old vids, you can see him using it pretty frequently.Sorry. No. He doesn't. There are three switches on the languedoc (pickup selector/coil drop/series-parallel) and none of them are a "sustain switch." He isn't looping the note either. The pedal he engages at the start of the note and disengages at the end is likely his second TS9. It's all a question of feedback between the chamber of his guitar and his monitors. That note is THE motherf*$&ing note, no doubt about it, but it isn't hard to pull off with his setup. No sustain switch or similar tool is needed.
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fwiw, the remaster aud of this show on the spreadsheet is absolutely top-notch. i don't spend much time with many aud's. i love the aud from 12-11-99 and this show. they are my fav auds. not to mention this show is my hometown and I had just turned 15 (didn't go; didn't know who phish was and no doubt was practicing basketball or some other deal that high school kids think is important). this show is just solid all-around. i urge anyone interested to check it out. there are other moments besides the hood (which deserves all the hype it gets).
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@mgh2001 said:
A little late to the party.I would have been here much earlier, but I was holding a note, and I didn't want to let it go
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Touche
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@ProfessorDude said: @mgh2001 said:LOL!A little late to the party.I would have been here much earlier, but I was holding a note, and I didn't want to let it go
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Sweet sassy molassey!
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A hollow or semihollow guitar can sustain forever under the right circumstances. When I was a teenager I was in a garage band with my sister, who played a semihollow Washburn. She once held a note through a whole song and then partly into the next one until getting bored and starting to play again. It had to have been at least 4 minutes.
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Related classic exerpt from "This is Spinal Tap":Nigel Tufnel: It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.
Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven.
[Nigel Tufnel is showing Marty DiBergi one of his favorite guitars]
Nigel Tufnel: The sustain, listen to it.
Marty DiBergi: I don't hear anything.
Nigel Tufnel: Well you would though, if it were playing.
[Marty compliments Nigel on his tee shirt]
Nigel Tufnel: You like this?
Marty DiBergi: It's very nice. It looks like hollow wood.
Nigel Tufnel: This is my exact inner structure, done in a tee shirt. Exactly medically accurate. See?
Marty DiBergi: So in other words if we were to take all your flesh and blood...
Nigel Tufnel: Take them off. This is what you'd see.
Marty DiBergi: It wouldn't be green though.
[Nigel points at Marty]
Nigel Tufnel: It is green. You see how your blood looks blue.
Marty DiBergi: Yeah, well that's just the vein. That's the color of the vein. The blood is actually red.
Nigel Tufnel: Oh then, maybe it's not green. Anyway this is what I sleep in sometimes.
Marty DiBergi: "This tasteless cover is a good indication of the lack of musical invention within. The musical growth of this band cannot even be charted. They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry."
Nigel Tufnel: That's just nitpicking, isn't it?
[discussing Nigel's Guitar collection]
Nigel Tufnel: Look... still has the old tag on, never even played it.
Marty DiBergi: [points his finger] You've never played...?
Nigel Tufnel: Don't touch it!
Marty DiBergi: We'll I wasn't going to touch it, I was just pointing at it.
Nigel Tufnel: Well... don't point! It can't be played.
Marty DiBergi: Don't point, okay. Can I look at it?
Nigel Tufnel: No. no. That's it, you've seen enough of that one.
[When asked what happened to their first drummer]
David St. Hubbins: He died in a bizarre gardening accident...
Nigel Tufnel: Authorities said... best leave it... unsolved.
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Because you can't dust for vomit, really, can you?
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What is the significance of the note being the minor third of D major? How does that affect what Page and Mike are going to play?
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just broke my virgin ears with this incredible jam, I got CHILLS!!!!!! you can feel good! good. Good about hood!