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What are other songs or versions that have the same 'soaring expanse' sound to them that the Went Gin has? I love the style soooooo much. IMO better than the funk. The sound style embodies all that summer Phish shows are about and I've been listening to it just about everyday since tour was announced. I need more...
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2-28-03 Tweezer
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From the shows I've been to, the 12/31/10 Ghost certainly qualifies. I felt the same warm glow, dare I say, an out of body experience?
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@RunawayJim4180 said: From the shows I've been to, the 12/31/10 Ghost certainly qualifies. I felt the same warm glow, dare I say, an out of body experience?That jam really is reminiscent of the Went Gin. The peaks develop in a similar way that is just oh so amazing
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2/21/03 DWD is all that is reallllll. Island Tour Twist is another, 8/15/92 stash, 11/21/98 Simple, 12/31/93 reba and hood.
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12-31-93 DWD and Prague Ghost
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@MomaDan said: @RunawayJim4180 said:It still doesnt hold a candle to the went gin. It's such a natural sounding jam, absolute definition of HOSEFrom the shows I've been to, the 12/31/10 Ghost certainly qualifies. I felt the same warm glow, dare I say, an out of body experience?That jam really is reminiscent of the Went Gin. The peaks develop in a similar way that is just oh so amazing
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Download the ones from my post for your own happiness. I promise those jams are what you are looking for. and they DO hold a candle to the went gin
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great thread. had to post so i remember to look back in here when I get home from work so I can check out some of these jams.I have been hooked on the went gin for the past 2 weeks for some reason. yes the peaks in that give me chills and it makes me feel like im at a summer show all over and then it ends. I feel like a junkie after listening to it the way I crave more
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6/28/00 Gin
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Awesome. Thanks! I knew I would get some quality answers. The DWD and Hood from the same set at Went have a similar tonality, but there is something about how the boys build it in Gin that is so pleasing.
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clickable textWent Gin, SBD and AUD. I prefer the sound of the AUD. AUD is DWD-> jam-> Bathtub Gin > Uncle Pen.
SBD only has DWD -> Gin
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@WookiePhart I've listened to the NYE '93 show a lot and that Reba is one of the best, but I don't think of it in the same way as the Went Gin. Its weird because now that I've listened to them back to back I see the similarities.
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11/18/98 & 9/24/99 Wolfman's contain beautifully melodic, soaring jams
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11/18/96 Simple. DO IT NOW.
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I second the 11/18/96 Simple but I think the Drowned > Rock & Roll from 6/29/00 PNC Bank Arts Center is absolutely SMOKING and reminds me so much of the Great Went Gin.
Kevin Shapiro led off the From the Archive broadcast of July 1 from SBIX with this gem.
Check it out and tell me what you think.
Kevin Shapiro led off the From the Archive broadcast of July 1 from SBIX with this gem.
Check it out and tell me what you think.
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every reba ever
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8/13/93 gin
or is it 8/17
whatever the date its from murat theater
or is it 8/17
whatever the date its from murat theater
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Check out the first half of the summer 99 tour. They get into a soaring major key jam almost every night up until about 7/15, then the jams get darker until the end of the tour. The Merriweather Weekapaug and the VA Beach Fee are good examples. The tour opening Gin is solid as well.
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@mikh2wg said: Check out the first half of the summer 99 tour. They get into a soaring major key jam almost every night up until about 7/15, then the jams get darker until the end of the tour. The Merriweather Weekapaug and the VA Beach Fee are good examples. The tour opening Gin is solid as well.True... see Chalkdust 7/10/99. Can't pimp that jam enough.
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Nothing to add, just want to find later.
Carry on.
Carry on.
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Went Gin jam sounds composed. I has to be composed. It just HAS TO BE. But we all know it wasn't, and that's why we love Phish.
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Straight ahead triumphant rock & roll. That is the nature of the peak jam that spans the last 5 minutes or so of the Went Gin. The best part of the 12/29/94 Bowie definitely goes to a similar place. The 2/28/03 Tweezer is a good call, too. Another jam that surprisingly recalls the Went Gin for me is Spread It Round from 7/15/03.
Plenty of great peaks in assorted versions of Hood + other songs, but they're a different sort of animal. Not better or worse - just categorically different.
Plenty of great peaks in assorted versions of Hood + other songs, but they're a different sort of animal. Not better or worse - just categorically different.
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@momasCaptain said: 8/13/93 gin or is it 8/17 whatever the date its from murat theater
Yeah it's 8/13. Insane Gin. That show is just amazing
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Just noticed that the Went Gin isn't in bold type on the jamming chart.
Sure - some critics might say it's overrated, but when the majority is so overwhelming it becomes irrelevant whether or not the masses bathe.
Sure - some critics might say it's overrated, but when the majority is so overwhelming it becomes irrelevant whether or not the masses bathe.
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@dscott said: Just noticed that the Went Gin isn't in bold type on the jamming chart. Sure - some critics might say it's overrated, but when the majority is so overwhelming it becomes irrelevant whether or not the masses bathe.
It might be because it's not considered to be Type II but I really don't know, I think it should be in bold too
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@DanceTheJig728 said: @dscott said:Went Gin is most certainly type ii. It leaves the Bathtub Gin song structure and goes far away from it. Type ii doesn't just mean weird and spacey.Just noticed that the Went Gin isn't in bold type on the jamming chart. Sure - some critics might say it's overrated, but when the majority is so overwhelming it becomes irrelevant whether or not the masses bathe.
It might be because it's not considered to be Type II but I really don't know, I think it should be in bold too
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I'm not sure it's the same type of soaring as the Went Gin, but I love the unique style/peaks that the Bomb Factory Tweezer hits.Also thought the SBIX Mound had a really beautiful peak that is somewhat similar to that Gin.
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That sbix mound jam was great! One of the highlights of the weekend for sure
I'll throw in a nomination for the first insane jam I saw live, 8/10/04 boaf
Not as "glorious" as the jams previously mentioned but it definitely gets out there and trey shreds it to pieces
I'll throw in a nomination for the first insane jam I saw live, 8/10/04 boaf
Not as "glorious" as the jams previously mentioned but it definitely gets out there and trey shreds it to pieces
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That sbix mound jam was great! One of the highlights of the weekend for sure
I'll throw in a nomination for the first insane jam I saw live, 8/10/04 boaf
Not as "glorious" as the jams previously mentioned but it definitely gets out there and trey shreds it to pieces
I'll throw in a nomination for the first insane jam I saw live, 8/10/04 boaf
Not as "glorious" as the jams previously mentioned but it definitely gets out there and trey shreds it to pieces
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From the more standard collection, the ALO Stash is a darker cousin of the Went Gin, with those two Kilimanjaro sized peaks. On a hot day, this one provides chills 60% of the time, every time.
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Went Gin jam sounds composed. I has to be composed. It just HAS TO BE. But we all know it wasn't, and that's why we love Phish.I will be the buzz kill here to tell you that it was practiced. Not composed, but that groove was worked out beforehand. I heard this on the Net and I'm sharing it with you.
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@Brother said: @Tsac77 said:Well, if it's on the net, then it HAS to be true!Went Gin jam sounds composed. I has to be composed. It just HAS TO BE. But we all know it wasn't, and that's why we love Phish.I will be the buzz kill here to tell you that it was practiced. Not composed, but that groove was worked out beforehand. I heard this on the Net and I'm sharing it with you.
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^ Lol I had that typed in after my post and deleted it because I wanted to give someone the opportunity to be a smart ass. Not that you're an ass.
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@Brother said: @Tsac77 said:Theres no way everything they do is completely improvised. I would think they work out some of these type II changes and grooves but not in the framework of a specific song.Went Gin jam sounds composed. I has to be composed. It just HAS TO BE. But we all know it wasn't, and that's why we love Phish.I will be the buzz kill here to tell you that it was practiced. Not composed, but that groove was worked out beforehand. I heard this on the Net and I'm sharing it with you.
For example, the riff at 6:35 of the NYE Ghost signals the move into a key change, then it is repeated with different notes at 6:51. Both times, the notes are in the Am scale but the second one feels more like its in C (dont know the name of proper mode, buts thats how I play along)
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@MomaDan said: @Brother said:I disagree but fully admit I could be wrong.@Tsac77 said:Theres no way everything they do is completely improvised. I would think they work out some of these type II changes and grooves but not in the framework of a specific song.Went Gin jam sounds composed. I has to be composed. It just HAS TO BE. But we all know it wasn't, and that's why we love Phish.I will be the buzz kill here to tell you that it was practiced. Not composed, but that groove was worked out beforehand. I heard this on the Net and I'm sharing it with you.
For example, the riff at 6:35 of the NYE Ghost signals the move into a key change, then it is repeated with different notes at 6:51. Both times, the notes are in the Am scale but the second one feels more like its in C (dont know the name of proper mode, buts thats how I play along)
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^Theres no real proof for what I said. Only the band can let the truth be known! And thats not going to happen
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I hate to agree but there is a section where I think it has definitely been worked out before hand. I had never wanted to admit that they worked on jams before hand (let's not call it composed, it wasn't) but I think this jams says otherwise. For example, shortly after Fish starts that beat and Trey gives him the fist pump, Trey and Page lock into a melody/groove at 1:54 in this video which in my opinion kind comes out of nowhere (as in Trey had this riff loaded ready to play after they worked out the b3 and b7 notes). Between Trey fully recognizing the drum beat, giving Fish a fist pump and the way the riff comes in seems somewhat worked out.
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^ What specifically are you disagreeing about? The key of the jam? Or the transitions being practiced? Practiced is different than rehearsed.
If Trey is using these notes: A B C D E F G and Mike is playing an A bass note it's going to make Trey sound minor, but when Mike uses C as the bass note it will make Trey's phrasing sound more major. Good ear, I didn't notice that Trey repeated that line once the mode switched.
If Trey is using these notes: A B C D E F G and Mike is playing an A bass note it's going to make Trey sound minor, but when Mike uses C as the bass note it will make Trey's phrasing sound more major. Good ear, I didn't notice that Trey repeated that line once the mode switched.
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Listening now... however they do what they do, it's magic...
Thanks for sharing, great Friday listening!
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"Phish, for me, are the musical equivalent of watching a flock of birds fly across the sky: They don’t scatter every which way, but rather, they move with each other; they dip and dive, they go up and down; but at all times, they seem to have this radar, this instinct, for where the bird in front or in back of them is going. Musically, each member of Phish knows what the other is doing, which then carries over to the whole..."
Producer Steve Lillywhite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Breathes
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I seriously doubt the Went Gin jam was composed in the traditional sense of the word, but to say they never played anything remotely like it in practice would be silly. Especially back then, these guys were playing and jamming together a lot, so I'm sure a lot of the musical themes we hear in improvised sections of live performances were hit upon in practice in one form or another.In interviews, etc. they've alluded to the fact that when they're up on stage jamming, they're very much in the moment, but they are channeling musical influences, pieces they've heard and or played in the past. The jams are original and not simply derivative of other pieces, but they are influenced on some level by any piece of music they've heard before. This is why we hear teases, seemingly random bustouts into cover verses, etc.
I think what really matters is that they don't try to recreate jams that they've already played live. Like the artwork at the Great Went that was admired and then burned down, a jam is appreciated in the moment, but then that energy fades away and they move on to something new. This is the root of why people keep coming back to Phish shows, the cliched "no show is the same."
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@InsectEffect said: "Phish, for me, are the musical equivalent of watching a flock of birds fly across the sky: They don�t scatter every which way, but rather, they move with each other; they dip and dive, they go up and down; but at all times, they seem to have this radar, this instinct, for where the bird in front or in back of them is going. Musically, each member of Phish knows what the other is doing, which then carries over to the whole..."what is the more credible source? Wikipedia or Phish.net?
Producer Steve Lillywhite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Breathes
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Wikiphishia!
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@MomaDan, if you're talking the 2010 NYE Ghost, it goes from A minor to major.
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@Brother said: ^ What specifically are you disagreeing about? The key of the jam? Or the transitions being practiced? Practiced is different than rehearsed.I wasn't disagreeing with anything anyone said. I was stating what happened in the jam and why I think it may have been practiced before hand.
If Trey is using these notes: A B C D E F G and Mike is playing an A bass note it's going to make Trey sound minor, but when Mike uses C as the bass note it will make Trey's phrasing sound more major. Good ear, I didn't notice that Trey repeated that line once the mode switched.
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I disagree that Phish practices specific chord progressions and key changes with the intention of including them in jams. I agree that they (at least used to) practice jamming constantly and would occasionally find themselves in familiar musical waters during shows. But that was not done on purpose. The fact that a band can change key together is not something stunning at all for musicians of this caliber who have so much experience playing together as a unit. Like it was said above, they move together as a flock based on instinct and familiarity.
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SOMEONE PLEASE lift the veil on this mystery. How does there exist a pro-shot part I to this song and only drunk audience member footage for Part II? What deranged series of events allows such a discrepancy to exist??????????????????????????????????????????????
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