Phish Vs. DMB - Phish.net Forum

PsychoKiller 6/14/12 5:53 am

Read this in a local publication.

"The Fans"

It’s unlikely that the crowds at either show will overlap much. Both bands built followings mostly on college campuses but attracted different students.

Generally speaking, the ones who did relatively well, scored good internships and graduated on time more than likely became Dave devotees. And those who spent the bulk of their college years “finding themselves” via a bong and hilariously disjointed conversations probably flowed with Phish.

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atkins450 6/14/12 6:08 am

That's just a classic example of another journalist on the outside looking into our scene and getting it all wrong. Probably a DMB fan.

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PsychoKiller 6/14/12 6:42 am

Thats what I was thinking too.

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bs915 6/14/12 6:55 am

I did relatively well and had a bong. Is that why I like both?

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Slothberries 6/14/12 7:37 am

i think that there is an element of truth to those statements. obviously nothing is ever black or white....there are plenty of phish fans that have gone on to be successful adults.

but if we're making general statements (which the journalist is clearly doing), then i would tend to agree that the beer drinking, boobie chasing DMB college frat boys probably have done a little better for themselves than than the "higher state of consciousness" seeking collegiate phish fan....if for no other reason than they probably took school a little more seriously when they were there

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KernelForbin 6/14/12 7:59 am

Such a useless article. I feel bad that anyone wasted time writing it.

http://bit.ly/M6OQkq

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ckess22 6/14/12 8:18 am

I never knew phish were an MTV 'darling'. Interesting.

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atkins450 6/14/12 8:30 am

Just read the article. It's really not that bad except for that one line, which is forgivable.

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TheArgus 6/14/12 8:36 am

any thread with "DMB" in the title is tl/dr

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atkins450 6/14/12 8:44 am

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harryhood92 6/14/12 8:51 am

I'm a beer drinking college frat boy and I love Phish and despise DMB

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chaizul 6/14/12 9:04 am

I'm a partner in a law firm, have seen 80 phish shows and can't stand dmb.

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frantic0blivion 6/14/12 9:42 am

i know i've posted this pic plenty of times before, but it's my way of saying stfu with the dmb v phish nonsense. not directed at OP, just in general to all those 'journalists' who feel they need to write about this subject

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LouisvillePhan 6/14/12 9:43 am

@PsychoKiller said:

Read this in a local publication. "The Fans" It�s unlikely that the crowds at either show will overlap much. Both bands built followings mostly on college campuses but attracted different students. Generally speaking, the ones who did relatively well, scored good internships and graduated on time more than likely became Dave devotees. And those who spent the bulk of their college years �finding themselves� via a bong and hilariously disjointed conversations probably flowed with Phish.

These two bands dont belong in the same conversation.

But the phrase "hilariously disjointed conversations" is the perfect description for what has been occurring around here all week.

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tbracket 6/14/12 9:53 am

apples and oranges
bra
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Slothberries 6/14/12 10:53 am

I'm not a big Dave fan, but I always find it interesting how so many people here despise him. Why?

Is it a pile on mentality or legitimate hatred?

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Jayem 6/14/12 10:57 am

@Slothberries said:

Why?

Is it a pile on mentality or legitimate hatred?

For most it's the first choice. While most DMB threads turn towards hate there have been a few where the first 3-4 replies are pro DMB. It is funny to see how different those threads turn out. All of a sudden people aren't as afraid to say they like them. Of course people will deny it. If I cared enough and had the time I would dig up the threads for examples. Believe me it's true

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johnnyd

6/14/12 11:00 am

I'm sure its a combination of both.
I like some of the music, but overall can take it or leave it. If I could easily and conveniently go see a show, I'd probably check it out.
My wife on the other hand despises the band. Nails on a chalkboard. I can assure you she's not piling on with anyone, she just really cant stand the songs, the music, the voice.
Another friend dislikes him based on personal experience. I forget the whole story, but about 15 years ago when she was a teenager she had an opportunity to meet him, and he was a total dick to her. She liked his music up to that point, but was basically like "f- this guy" after that.
But its pretty obvious from looking at forums at least that there is a lot of pile on mentality too.

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Robert_Zimmerman 6/14/12 11:09 am

I try to stay out of DMB conversations because, well, I really just sort of apathetic about it. DMB could stop playing tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me...but I don't "hate" them. It's not for me, but I don't hate people who like it. We're all fans of a certain band not everyone likes....

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mcnick23 6/14/12 11:15 am

Wtf is this clown talking about? People don't listen to Dave Matthews after college. And in any case their internships certainly have nothing to do with it.

Sorry guys, I got a B on my accounting final so now I'm a huge Aerosmith fan. I'll be leaving this forum for Aerosmith.net now...It's been good

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westbrook 6/14/12 11:16 am

I definitely don't hate DMB. I listened to them a little bit in high school and went to one show, but it didn't do that much for me. I'd say it's better music than a lot of other "popular" stuff.

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Theme85 6/14/12 2:38 pm

i used to love dmb and still have a tremendous amount of respect for them. i saw dmb 22 times before seeing phish once. i've seen phish 13 times since, and still counting. i will never see dmb the same way and i don't mean this in a bad way.

Phish gets me to that place now. simple as that..

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themefromthepossum 6/14/12 2:51 pm

@Theme85 said:

i used to love dmb and still have a tremendous amount of respect for them. i saw dmb 22 times before seeing phish once. i've seen phish 13 times since, and still counting. i will never see dmb the same way and i don't mean this in a bad way. Phish gets me to that place now. simple as that..

i'm kinda the same way. saw a TON of dmb shows before phish, between '99 and '09 (i'm not really counting coventry for obvious reasons). saw phish at fenway and 4 other times that year and ever since they've slowly taken over my #1 spot. still love the DMB, but i dont need to see them several times a year anymore

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WasteOfTime 6/14/12 3:04 pm

I don't really get the hate, nothing too bad really. DMB is a good example of a band which never really goes too deep or gets too dark....this leads people to burn out on them fast. French fries are good but not dinner...and you'll get a belly ache if you eat too many.

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phan83 6/14/12 4:08 pm

I have an M.S.

Who the hell does this guy think he is? Oh yeah duh... he likes DMB.

who's got 2 fingers and hates that article

this guy vvvv

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edit --

Found this article online here :

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/06/phish-vs-dmb-how-tell-bands-apart

Not sure if it's been linked before, but it would be nice to see some more comments headed in the correct direction. someone post this on PT maybe, if its not there already? I cant check.. made a rule not to go there at work.

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007below 6/14/12 4:30 pm

the fact that anyone posts anything about dmb on a phish fan site is stupid

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Capricornio 6/14/12 4:35 pm

@007below said:

the fact that anyone posts anything about dmb on a phish fan site is stupid

I have to disagree with this.

would it be stupid have a post about this YEM?

June 16, 1995

Walnut Creek Amphitheater, Raleigh, NC

Set 1: Halley's Comet > Down with Disease > Esther > Ya Mar, Cry Baby Cry, It's Ice > My Mind's Got a Mind of its Own, Dog Faced Boy -> Catapult > Split Open and Melt

Set 2: Runaway Jim -> Free, Carolina, You Enjoy Myself^[1], The Squirming Coil

Encore: Bold As Love

[1] Boyd Tinsley on fiddle; Oye Como Va teases. Lovin' You (Minnie Riperton) quote from Fishman in vocal jam.

Notes: Halley's Comet was preceded by a "Charge!" tease from Trey. Dog Faced Boy was preceded by several false starts of Split Open And Melt by Fishman. YEM featured Boyd Tinsley on fiddle for a portion of the jam and included Oye Como Va teases. The YEM vocal jam contained a Lovin' You (Minnie Riperton) quote from Fishman.

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chris200w 6/14/12 4:53 pm

Why is it okay for a journalist to publish a story that overtly stereotypes a group of people? This type of behavior, and the people who buy into the stereotypes, are the reason my Phish obsession is something I hesitate to share with new people I meet.

The only thing this does is cause people to be labeled as something they're not and perpetuate the alienation.

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BernardShakey 6/14/12 4:56 pm

DMB produces white collar asshats? I've always had my suspicions, but this just confirms it.

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RichieReba 6/14/12 5:01 pm

I also had a bong, did well and had disjointed conversations, some that took place with DMB fans.

I never liked DMB too much, but my wife gave me some more detailed underground info on the band, and had me listen to several live shows...I must say that although I do not love all his music, there is no denying he is very talented.

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Jerrytheband 6/14/12 5:05 pm

April 20, 1994

Virginia Horse Center, Lexington, VA

Set 1: Runaway Jim, It's Ice > Julius, Bouncing Around the Room, Rift, Axilla (Part II) > Stash, Suzy Greenberg

Set 2: Poor Heart > Run Like an Antelope, Magilla^[1], Paul and Silas > Sample in a Jar, Big Ball Jam > Harry Hood, Fee^[2], You Enjoy Myself^[3] -> Somewhere Over the Rainbow^[4]

Encore: Highway to Hell

[1] Rhythm-A-Ning and The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana) teases from Trey.
[2] Trey sang some verses through megaphone.
[3] Dave Matthews, LeRoi Moore, Boyd Tinsley, Carter Beauford, and Steffan Lessard. Fishman on vacuum.
[4] Dave Matthews, LeRoi Moore, Boyd Tinsley, Carter Beauford, and Steffan Lessard.

Notes: Trey teased Rhythm-A-Ning and The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana) in Magilla and sang some of the verses of Fee through a megaphone. Somewhere Over the Rainbow was played for the first time since August 17, 1992 (159 shows). YEM and Rainbow featured Dave Matthews, LeRoi Moore, Boyd Tinsley, Carter Beauford, and Steffan Lessard from Dave Matthews Band. YEM also featured Fishman on vacuum. Matthews was Trey’s substitute trampoline jumper during YEM. The opening act was Dave Matthews Band.

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me_no_are_no_nice_guy 6/14/12 5:12 pm

@chris200w said:

Why is it okay for a journalist to publish a story that overtly stereotypes a group of people?

first amendment'd

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chris200w 6/14/12 5:17 pm

@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:

@chris200w said:
Why is it okay for a journalist to publish a story that overtly stereotypes a group of people?
first amendment'd

Tell that to victims of racism, homophobia, etc. Not suggesting the Phish stereotypes are anywhere near that level, but they're still negative stereotypes that hurt people when they're perpetuated.

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me_no_are_no_nice_guy 6/14/12 5:28 pm

@chris200w said:

@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:
@chris200w said:
Why is it okay for a journalist to publish a story that overtly stereotypes a group of people?
first amendment'd
Tell that to victims of racism, homophobia, etc. Not suggesting the Phish stereotypes are anywhere near that level, but they're still negative stereotypes that hurt people when they're perpetuated.

I'm offended that you would even make the comparison. You are not hurt by these stereotypes. Stop the feigned outrage.

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Euclid 6/14/12 5:33 pm

DMB is a phenominal drummer

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Sprachtor 6/14/12 5:37 pm

This thread is hilarious.

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chris200w 6/14/12 5:44 pm

@me_no_are_no_nice_guy - I'm sorry that I offended you. That's a risk you always run when bringing up racism and homophobia.

I'm not outraged, and not pretending to be. If there were a way to apply tone to a forum post, my previous comments would have an inquisitive, curious tone, not an outraged tone. I sort of suspected someone would read too far into my comment and infer that I'm some pitchfork wielding wacko out for the blood of anyone who doesn't like Phish. That's not the case at all. Most of the negative things people say about Phish I take in stride and just ignore.

Negative stereotypes are harmful, though, no matter how insignificant the harm seems. I'm sure you'd agree that Phish fans who get drug tested whenever they come back from a vacation are being harmed by the stereotype, right? This clearly isn't anywhere near as bad as racism and homophobia, but it's a disservice to the upstanding fans who don't want to be associated with the negative stereotypes.

This type of thing doesn't hurt me enough to start some movement aimed at eliminating Phish stereotyping, and I'm not. I'm just posting some thoughts on a message board.

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757phan 6/14/12 5:56 pm

So this was written for a local website in the area which is run by a local newspaper. I read it and thought....hmmm I don't think this person has seen Phish ever. I think they just got a random young staff writer who's interested in pop culture and music to cover both upcoming concerts. So I decided to draft a response to the writer and email him. I also threw it up on their website broken up in comments as well as putting it on FB. I'd really like to see the writer come to one night next week. If he writes back I may even offer him a ticket and then just ask that he writes a fair review of the experience and music and gets his editor to publish it. Anyways...here is my response. Also, I am aware I used "pension" instead of "penchant". Noob move :-)

You can read the original article here too: Phish vs. DMB

Hello there,

Thanks for writing an article on my favorite band. I've been following Phish for almost a decade now and it's always nice when they visit Hampton Roads and save me from driving 500 miles (although I do that anyway) to get to a show. I am just curious about something though, have you seen Phish? If you haven't I would like to extend to you the invitation to come out either Tuesday or Wednesday and check them out. Your article portrayed the average fan or phan as a bohemian-like stoner with no real direction. I am curious to where you picked up that stereotype? Have you explored the scene yourself and came away with that conclusion or are you just basing this off your knowledge of the American counter-culture and the "hippie" movement? It also seems to portray the band as unsuccessful and only attracted to the state because the Hampton coliseum happens to look like a spaceship. Are you aware that both their management company, merchandise warehouse, and ticket company are all based in Virginia? Ever head of the Mockingbird Foundation? It's a non-profit group run by Phish fans with the goal of sustaining music education in school. Phish also runs a charity known as the Waterwheel foundation which most recently raised a considerable amount of cash to help support victims of the Vermont flooding last August.
Yes, many Phish fans are burnouts and a drain on the greater society. However, I would argue that just as many are extremely family oriented, professional, taxpaying citizens. In fact, outside of a pension for improvisational rock music, they are pretty normal folk. It just seemed to me that the tone of your article was very pro-DMB and semi anti-Phish. I'm sure you checked with the city of Portsmouth before hand and realized how much money is generated due to the Phish concert. It's an economic win for the city and the area at large. With the two night run this year and this upcoming weekends shows just a few hundred miles away in Atlantic city, it is likely that many fans will also venture to Hampton Roads on Monday. This means the area will experience a three day influx in tourists and the money they bring. I hope you come out this upcoming week and check out at least one of the shows. I'm sure you will love it! Thanks again for the press, even if it wasn't the best :-)

Have a wonderful day,

Greg

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munkman 6/14/12 5:58 pm

Still trying to find myself I guess. 3 credits shy of my Bachelors. I'm waiting until phish 3.0 is finished to hop on dave tour and finish my degree.

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intechnicolor 6/14/12 7:03 pm

The fan description has me almost nailed down, but, I'd like to think of myself as something more than that....

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Euclid 6/14/12 7:39 pm

@757phan said:

You can read the original article here too: Phish vs. DMB

I sent him another email. Nice, but just reminding him of the article that will haunt his online blogging career. He sounds so judgmental, so ignorant and so assumptive. It's a radioactive article that was not seen by an editor, it serves no purpose but to divide and chastise. It shouldn't have been published based on the lack of research and knowledge of content.

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Euclid 6/14/12 7:41 pm

@Euclid said:

@757phan said:

You can read the original article here too: Phish vs. DMB

I sent him another email. Nice, but just reminding him of the article that will haunt his online blogging career. He sounds so judgmental, so ignorant and so assumptive. It's a radioactive article that was not seen by an editor, it serves no purpose but to divide and chastise. It shouldn't have been published based on the lack of research and knowledge of content.

Oh wait, its an online blogger reviewer employed by an online publication, of course there's no accountability.

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Jayem 6/14/12 7:43 pm

Well done @757phan

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Jerrytheband 6/14/12 8:00 pm

@Jerrytheband said:

1994-04-20

Here's the epic jam in queston

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strikly_commerical 6/14/12 8:18 pm

Listen to more GD, and early Phish

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Euclid 6/14/12 8:33 pm

@Jerrytheband said:

@Jerrytheband said:
1994-04-20
Here's the epic jam in queston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ZZSfO9ACc

Seriously.....this is not impressive to me... at all. Hahahaha I'm jamming with Phish, but im in DMB so i can't let you forget that.
And here's some Rainbows because I don't know how to really jam.
Blagh.... I hear that fiddle or that sax and I'm hitting the bottle, HARD.

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Euclid 6/14/12 8:35 pm

throws up a little

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Phlat_Brim_Kid 6/14/12 8:50 pm

@Slothberries said:

I'm not a big Dave fan, but I always find it interesting how so many people here despise him. Why? Is it a pile on mentality or legitimate hatred?

Same reason peeps hate on Bisco! Its cool!

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strikly_commerical 6/14/12 9:01 pm

You actually give a toot about what uninformed writers say about you/us. Start giving less of a toot

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tbracket 6/14/12 9:07 pm

@Phlat_Brim_Kid said:

@Slothberries said:
I'm not a big Dave fan, but I always find it interesting how so many people here despise him. Why? Is it a pile on mentality or legitimate hatred?
Same reason peeps hate on Bisco! Its cool!

no I actually genuinely cannot find any sort of taste in either band

I hate Dave's voice and I can't really vibe with the Biscuits...

but music is subjective, as well as musical taste.

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