LOUD NOISES

TTE is the new YEM.

the worst.

@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:

I know you guys read the board, Trey, please make this happen. And not just a one time thing, we need this back in regular rotation. Next time you guys start thinking about busting out some stale song you haven't played in 1000 shows, forget about it and play the TTE!

Well, you've opened up a can of worms here, but I support your cause, however futile it appears to be, because I can say unequivocally that I love this tune. Given the outspoken hate for TTE on this forum every time this topic comes up, we would seem to be in the minority. So, assuming Phish does read this forum, your request would probably have the opposite effect from what you intend. What they would see is one lone voice in the wilderness requesting it and scores of others bashing it. It would only show them that, based on a representative sample from .net that most of their fanbase hates this masterpiece for some inexplicable reason, thus strengthening their resolve to never play this complex composition that must be a bitch to pull off ever again.

@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:

I'm trolling myself here. awful.

+1.
I see what you did there, and am highly amused.

And honestly, I wouldn't mind if they (practiced for and) played TTE a couple times a tour.

It does work at a phish concert. It's sad the amount of hate this song gets or that we would discourage them from composing/performing this type of music.

I guarantee that most of us were confused at best when first introduced to Fluff, Divided, SOAM etc. It was the repeated listenings that gave us the "oh shit, this is much deeper than I thought, I love this" experience. These were not instant classics and it was audience support and audience effort (to listen and learn the tunes) that gave the band the success to continue writing and playing.

And keep in mind, that it is not like TTE-style songs are a dime a dozen. Trey could write 5 Alaskas during his morning piss. The TTE songs take years to develop.

Stop the bitching, expand your musical horizon past 1989 and listen to this song every day for a week. It is a tune like that that will prevent them from ever being a nostalgia act.

Wake up.

TTE is a great song. At first I was like no I dont really like it. But then I heard it again and I was like, Wow this song is REALLY good.

@johnnyd said:

And honestly, I wouldn't mind if they (practiced for and) played TTE a couple times a tour.

I'm sure it's been said before, but TTE would make a great encore. If you like it, you get a guaranteed extra 15 minutes of Phish (TTE, or Monkey>Tweprise?). If you don't, you can head for the doors, secure in the knowledge of what you are missing.

I love the version on Joy but haven't heard a live one that was really good yet. Hopefully They are working on an arrangement that works a little better for the band. I'm sure it will take a lot more practice to really find the lines through it.....it can get boggy in the middle. A few silly lyrics don't scare me away either, or I wouldn't be so into Phish.

The "Carousel" part at the end is kinda awesome (but the 10 mins it takes to get to that point can be confusing in a bad way and tedious). But, I get where that song is coming from and why it is important in light of the band getting back together.

Love the music and, like Light, find the lyrics to be among the very worst in the Phish catalog. With both songs, I dig the sentiment/message but they both have lines which seem to be written by 6th grade would-be hippies. It's embarrassing.

was Amherst 2010 the last time they played it? if so i know why they dont anymore. literally 15-20% of the crowd filtered out during that song to take a piss or get a snack. it killed the energy of the show for most people. i have to admit i was one of them. i spent the entire afternoon at a local bar in the area watching the pats game so i was shit wasted. more excited for free than tte. i know what a noob.

also, i stumbled upon the trey with a symphony version of this on spotify yesterday. didn't know it existed. probably wouldn't listen to it again but it was interesting. i guess thats all i have to say about that.

@1024 song histories are your friend

strange coincidence, 10.24 was the date of that amherst show

@listen4myHorn said:

It does work at a phish concert. It's sad the amount of hate this song gets or that we would discourage them from composing/performing this type of music. I guarantee that most of us were confused at best when first introduced to Fluff, Divided, SOAM etc. It was the repeated listenings that gave us the "oh shit, this is much deeper than I thought, I love this" experience. These were not instant classics and it was audience support and audience effort (to listen and learn the tunes) that gave the band the success to continue writing and playing. And keep in mind, that it is not like TTE-style songs are a dime a dozen. Trey could write 5 Alaskas during his morning piss. The TTE songs take years to develop. Stop the bitching, expand your musical horizon past 1989 and listen to this song every day for a week. It is a tune like that that will prevent them from ever being a nostalgia act. Wake up.

This is a ridiculous assertation. I was floored and fell in love with Fluff, Divided Sky and SOAM upon first listen. Those are classics and all a big part of why I'm into Phish today. TTE has terrible lyrics and an even worse melody. I really dug the song when it was first released as an instrumental. I believe it was the first new piece of Phish music that we heard in 2009. I had big hopes. I don't mind goofy phish lyrics, but I definiatly mind when lyrics are trying to be serious and just fall flat. It's a turd and should be regarded as such. 10 years from now we'll look back on setlists from 09 and 10 and TTE will be a big stain that we will have to be reminded about.

@johnnyd said:

That is the crowd's problem. Bunch of pavlov's dogs with certain songs.

I thought it was one of the highlights of the Amherst weekend. I was way up back Page side, and most people in my area were pretty engrossed in it. I know I was.

Fee > TTE was spectacular, also one of my highlights.

Also the Mullins center is a dry venue, I really have no idea where all those people went

Never understood the hate on TTE. It's a progressive complex tune, reminds me a lot of their exploratory days. Shouldn't we encourage Phish to be more experimental with their song writing?

As much as everyone loves Steam, let's admit it, the song hardly pushes the boundaries of compositional innovation. TTE goes where a lot of other artists don't which is why I love Phish so much.

I would be willing to give it another shot w phish 2012 playing it. Phish 2009...I didn't like it so much. I know I hit the toilet at red rocks when they played it and was back in time for the ending...good move on my part, IMO.

@LedZeppelin said:

Never understood the hate on TTE. It's a progressive complex tune, reminds me a lot of their exploratory days. Shouldn't we encourage Phish to be more experimental with their song writing?

As much as everyone loves Steam, let's admit it, the song hardly pushes the boundaries of compositional innovation. TTE goes where a lot of other artists don't which is why I love Phish so much.

musically, it has legs to stand on. the vocals and melody completely kill it for me. Most of the other composed phish songs have very little in the way of lyrics. Or the lyrics are all at the beginning of the song. With TTE they just keep going and getting worse. TTE to me, is Phish taking it self too seriously.

I love the lyrics to TTE. A lot of the Phish fanbase seem to want Phish to be their own personal nostalgia trip. They want them to continue writing nonsensical, goofball lyrics like they did in their teens and 20s because they themselves were into nonsensical, goofball lyrics when they were in their teens and twenties and still are. They begrudge any attempt to grow up and introduce substance into the lyrics. I can see how someone might think the lyrics to TTE are corny or sophomoric, but, whatever they are, they have more substance than "Wash Uffizi drive me to Firenze" or "Won't you step into the freezer Seize her with a tweezer." I personally like the lyrics to TTE because they eerily and uncannily describe an acid trip I took by a lake on an autumn day in 1988 where I laid on the ground watching the sky and autumn leaves blend together, my own personal nostalgia trip. I suppose in order to appreciate the beauty of the lyrics one would have had to experience something like this at some point in one's life. I certainly have. They really capture what the romantic poets described as the sublimity of nature:

If I could wrap my arms around this globe
Hands, touch the green and brown
I'd sink into the cool, cool ground
(In and out of focus)
(In and out of focus)

Seen all, seen all, seen all summer
Seen all, seen all, seen all spring

But I'm a submarine
submarine sinks below
The ground
a submarine

I'm a submarine
submarine sinks below
The ground

Now that the leaves have turned to gold
The moments all glow
Frozen and free from time

And out here on my own
I watch it ebb and flow

Here, with the fire burning low
In the honey mist that breathes
Crooked maple fingers trembling all around
I feel the winds that blow

Out here between the dark and light
The summer's gone, and the reeds bow down
As the colors change
All along the water line

oooohhhhhh

And when it's time the landslide will free what froze inside
While all around the rocks collide
You finally see the lines
That point toward the light that never dies

Melody, shelter in the darkness
Take hold of me now
Memory, trapped in a corner
Dark fingers are long

But all around streaming down
Rays of blue light, calling out

These silver sounds are raining down on me
Here on the wheel, the rhythm’s turning all around
Up above the darkened sky is bleeding
I feel the world turning upside down

These are the reasons that we lay down on the ground
Drawn through a funnel, all the colors run together
Turning brown

Wait for the waves to come and carry me away
Down on the ground the sounds of voices in the echoes seem to say

And as the carousel circles unceasingly
Watch while the ripples decay in this rolling time
And cascading, the winds set the wheels in motion
And it’s turning in the mist around me
Rolling and turning into the mist around me

Kissed by the water and held in your mother’s arms
Green where you tumble and roll in these fields
The shapes of the bodies that shift in the sun
While the blossoms all scream and it sleeps around me
The earth in these memories heals around me

In and out of focus, time turns elastic
time turns
In and out of focus, time turns elastic
time turns

Touches these woods and these waters all paved with gold
Gleaming in daylight the voices ring on
They pull while the pointing lay down in the storm
And this life is bending and swelling around me

Rolling and turning into the mist around me
The winds all rising in the west around me
And the carousel turns into breath around me

::turning .net into request forum::

::finding Esther thread edit- removed smiley face

I hope they play TTE only once a year for your insolence; I do hope you are there.

Some people like shitty lyrics, dude. That's their choice. Stop hating!

Reminds of the time a young guy was telling me about Phish and how much he liked them even though he said the lyrics were terrible. He said, you know, the lyrics/vocals are just like another instrument for them.

I didn't say anything but I laughed inside thinking, "in what band are lyrics/vocals not just another instrument"?

@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:

Nope, I'm not looking for them to go back to goofy nonsensical lyrics. But I'd rather get those then lyrics that are trying to be serious and completely fall flat.

Everyone thinks they know what other Phish fans want. I hate hearing that bullshit. I only know what I want, and it saddens me that you clearly want shitty lyrics.

@cactoid said:

I wish I went to that second amherst show; I would have gotten Lizards, Ride Captain Ride, TTE, Roggae, Waste, and Seven Below!

Plus I love that venue.

Plus its a Phish show for cryin out loud, I wish I went to every single one!

'twas a good one. The next was better IMO, but Amherst rocked. I love TTE. Enables me to zone out for a bit and get into all the echoey layers. Plus that payoff at the end is divine. To each his own with the pee break songs. I've had a few over the years; they change.

I don't know what sorcery you are using OP but this song has been on repeat in my brain all day long.

I want to hear it too.

Are you a wizard?

FUCK.NO