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I was afraid he would do it. I mean, I didn't want him to, and I thought he always might, but I really never expected to hear it. And now I wish I could un-hear it. This has seriously damaged my calm.
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Do you consider "Spirit in the Sky" by Norman Greenbaum to be Christian Rock too?
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Yes.
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and these?The Byrds - Jesus is Just Alright (also covered by the Doobie Brothers)
Big Star - Jesus Christ
Soundgarden - Jesus Christ Pose
Brian Jonestown Massacre - Just Like Kicking Jesus
Harry Nilsson - Jesus Christ You're Tall
Macy Gray - Jesus for a Day
Randy Newman - Jesus in the Summertime
ZZ Top - Jesus Just Left Chicago (also covered by Phish)
Green Day - Jesus of Suburbia
Fuel - Jesus or a Gun
Slayer - Jesus Saves
Iron and Wine - Jesus the Mexican Boy
Kris Kristofferson - Jesus was a Capricorn
Judee Sill - Jesus Was a Crossmaker
Cake - Jesus Wrote a Blank Check
Ben Folds - Jesusland
Game Theory - Like a Girl Jesus
Tom T. Hall - Me and Jesus
Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus
The Flaming Lips - Shine On Sweet Jesus
Aaron Neville - What Would Jesus Do?
Temple of the Dog - Wooden Jesus
Jefferson Airplane - The Son of Jesus
Kid Rock - Rock and Roll Jesus
Ben Harper - Pictures of Jesus
Wilco - Jesus, Etc.
The Vaselines - Jesus Wants Me for a Sunbeam (also covered by Nirvana)
Ry Cooder - Jesus on the Mainline
Jewel - Jesus Loves You
The Wesley WIlls Fiasco - Jesus is the Answer
Atlanta Rhythm Section - Jesus Hearted People
The Charlatans UK - Jesus Hairdo
Primal Scream - Jesus Can't Save Me
Supergrass - Jesus Came from Outer Space
The Velvet Underground - Jesus
Roberta Flack - I Told Jesus
Prelude - Dear Jesus
Little Feat - Brides of Jesus
Bad religion - American Jesus
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Ah, I see where you're going with this...Nowhere.
You can add to your pointless list Ministry's "Jesus Built My Hot Rod" if you like.
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I read nothing in Architect's lyrics to suggest Trey is referring specifically to Christianity.For all you know, this song is about The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Am I missing something?
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I guess so. Your list points out all kinds of songs with varied meanings and interpretation, whose only commonality is the mention the Jesus.
If you're asking if I personally know for a fact that Trey is a Christian? No, that is information I'm not privy to. I do, however, know that he is a Stone Cutter, has a Price Chopper Advantage card, and buys his movie tickets from Fandango.
How do I know the song is Christian? I don't know that, either. All your religions look alike to me.
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Maybe its spiritual not religious. There is a huge difference.
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All these worlds rolled into one
Together we revolve around the sun
And if you get the chance
Watch the young children dance
In a little while, you will see them smile.
Truth may dazzle gradually
It all comes out in the wash eventually
Try to catch a glean, if you know what I mean.
You may even see the cogs in the machine
Reconvene, reconnect
Raise a glass to the Architect
'Cause it turned out better
So much better
Than we ever did expect
Find your treasures where you will
Don't you stop until you've had your fill
Wherever you may go
Look around, take it slow
There might be more to this than we all know
And if we have the chance to see the rough draft
I bet the early plans would make us laugh
And it never seems to help when try to intervene
Some things are better left unseen
(Chorus) (etc.)
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Blatantly a song about a creator with a heavy dose of pre-determination
Also pretty blatantly a fairly bad song, IMHO.
Doesn't make it a "Christian Rock" song though.
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Ok, God Rock then. I guess my prejudice towards my heritage is showing...Look away! Look away!
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God rock I'll give you, but I don't think that makes it bad. The writing is what makes it bad."Does this dress make me look fat?"
"No, your ass makes you look fat."
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The intent makes it bad, for me. I'm a staunch Athiest, albeit a somewhat prejudiced one at times, and I genuinely get butt-hurt when I learn that someone I admire is all churched up. Like my wife, and my best bud, who are both Christian. And the writing just amplifys my disdain. It's like making a negative comment about someone who has just sustained a compound fracture.
Jerry was right about every silver lining...
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I'm pretty sure this is Christian Rock
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IMO, being a "staunch" ANYTHING is unhealthy...even a staunch atheist. From my point of view, you're the same as the religious zealots....you have very firm beliefs in things that are ultimately UNKNOWABLE!!!!You have my sympathies though......being a staunch atheist married to a "churched-up" Christian wife......that must kind of suck on a hundred different levels!!!!!!!
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/editDammit!
Will someone who is at an actual computer post the video for the d Freedom Rock commercial?
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Did someone say Freedom Rock? Turn it up man!
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@CornFromAJar said: IMO, being a "staunch" ANYTHING is unhealthy...even a staunch atheist. From my point of view, you're the same as the religious zealots....you have very firm beliefs in things that are ultimately UNKNOWABLE!!!!Don't you see? Being an Atheist is a belief in finality, a belief in the thought that everything we do matters here and now and in no other time or place besides.
You have my sympathies though......being a staunch atheist married to a "churched-up" Christian wife......that must kind of suck on a hundred different levels!!!!!!!
If there's anything worth being sure about its everything!
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Sorry, but that sounds pretty dogmatic to me.......sounds like yet another religion.....a religion about nothing, but a religion nonetheless.
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Wow.
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Is a pizza made of nothing a pizza? If I set out to make a pizza, and have no flour, no yeast, no cheese, no tomato, or garlic, or basil, with none of those things do I have a pizza, or just the thought of a pizza?
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Here's some facts to chew on: Trey was/is an addict.
Trey went through a 12 step program to help deal with said addiction.
One of the main tenants of every 12 step program is giving up control to a higher power.
Trey successfully went through this program.
Sober Trey means Phish can tour/exist.
(I was going to discuss how this tenant of 12 steps programs works, but I don't really want to get into a debate with people about higher powers. I am also a pretty "staunch" atheist, but I understand the importance of not always trying to control everything and being ok with life as it comes when you are struggling with addiction. If you need to place some kind of faith in a higher power to get there, I am okay with that)
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@TheEmu said:I would say it is more of a song about gratitude than anything else.
Blatantly a song about a creator with a heavy dose of pre-determination
Also pretty blatantly a fairly bad song, IMHO.
Doesn't make it a "Christian Rock" song though.
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Then, my friend, you are not staunch.I know about the steps, and love more than a few people who did them with their god. I accept it, but I'm not ok with it.
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I'm with spacecoyote on this one. The fact that Trey is singing about an Architect and some great plan for the universe makes me question his intelligence. If our universe is planned than it is definitely not something to celebrate. However I have read that the song was written with The Dude of Life so maybe the God influence comes from him, I don't know. Also I always think of the Matrix when I hear "The Architect" so I imagine Trey is singing to that guy.
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@revjustin said: @TheEmu said:Well, a lot of it, yeah. Gratitude toward a creator.I would say it is more of a song about gratitude than anything else.
Blatantly a song about a creator with a heavy dose of pre-determination
Also pretty blatantly a fairly bad song, IMHO.
Doesn't make it a "Christian Rock" song though.
You also have the whole "It never seems to help when we try to intervene" thing, which seems to be about letting go, accepting things as they are. That's not really about gratitude. It all fits in pretty well with a "God works in mysterious ways" theme.
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Certainly AA rock.
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Well if it was written with the Dude of Life then the Architect is clearly Captain Crunch.::becomes a Crunchafarian::
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Those look like Dave Matthews lyrics.
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@spacecoyote said: Then, my friend, you are not staunch.I am okay with not being a staunch anything. I am sure as a fart in a car about my atheism, however
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to the op, who cares? If he had 10 songs all bashing religion would you be happy? Its one song where he describes a feeling with a higher power...just because you havnt doesnt mean you have to get you panties in a bunch Cant we just let our hero continue to make fresh music, no matter the inspiration?
For the record, I honestly dont care what he sings about, as long as its genuine
For the record, I honestly dont care what he sings about, as long as its genuine
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Well, if you could be bothered to read you'd understand that I care, so I brought it up. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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...an influx of religious songs is the only thing that could ruin Phish for me.
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@revjustin said: @spacecoyote said:Fair enough.Then, my friend, you are not staunch.I am okay with not being a staunch anything. I am sure as a fart in a car about my atheism, however
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"And, on the 32nd Post, God said 'LET THERE BE MELT.' And he saw the melt was good, and he popped some popcorn."
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@CornFromAJar said:
and these?American Jesus would be the most offensive song ever if it were about teh jesus in a more literal sense.
The Byrds - Jesus is Just Alright (also covered by the Doobie Brothers)
Big Star - Jesus Christ
Soundgarden - Jesus Christ Pose
Brian Jonestown Massacre - Just Like Kicking Jesus
Harry Nilsson - Jesus Christ You're Tall
Macy Gray - Jesus for a Day
Randy Newman - Jesus in the Summertime
ZZ Top - Jesus Just Left Chicago (also covered by Phish)
Green Day - Jesus of Suburbia
Fuel - Jesus or a Gun
Slayer - Jesus Saves
Iron and Wine - Jesus the Mexican Boy
Kris Kristofferson - Jesus was a Capricorn
Judee Sill - Jesus Was a Crossmaker
Cake - Jesus Wrote a Blank Check
Ben Folds - Jesusland
Game Theory - Like a Girl Jesus
Tom T. Hall - Me and Jesus
Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus
The Flaming Lips - Shine On Sweet Jesus
Aaron Neville - What Would Jesus Do?
Temple of the Dog - Wooden Jesus
Jefferson Airplane - The Son of Jesus
Kid Rock - Rock and Roll Jesus
Ben Harper - Pictures of Jesus
Wilco - Jesus, Etc.
The Vaselines - Jesus Wants Me for a Sunbeam (also covered by Nirvana)
Ry Cooder - Jesus on the Mainline
Jewel - Jesus Loves You
The Wesley WIlls Fiasco - Jesus is the Answer
Atlanta Rhythm Section - Jesus Hearted People
The Charlatans UK - Jesus Hairdo
Primal Scream - Jesus Can't Save Me
Supergrass - Jesus Came from Outer Space
The Velvet Underground - Jesus
Roberta Flack - I Told Jesus
Prelude - Dear Jesus
Little Feat - Brides of Jesus
Bad religion - American Jesus
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I've heard plenty of perfectly normal, non-religious people talk about The Creator, a divine plan, everything being connected, ect...while tripping on acid or 'shrooms......So there.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:
Those look like Dave Matthews lyrics.http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9882807.jpg
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It looks to me to be a song about a path to enlightenment "Try to catch a glean, if you know what I mean.
You may even see the cogs in the machine"
and surrendering to the flow.
"And it never seems to help when try to intervene
Some things are better left unseen"
Very much in line with lyrical themes of the past 30 years.
Even though he's saying "architect" I don't necessarily assign a personified god component to it. It could be a taoist construct and "architect" is like the force and the "plans" are everything working out exactly as it does because thats how the energy is lined up and flows, not due to some predetermination.
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I think the song could be interpreted as Taoist just as much as Christian.edit: @Johnnyd you beat me to it, and said it much better.
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@johnnyd said: Very much in line with lyrical themes of the past 30 years.::walks into thread::
::picks up what @JohnnyD lays down::
::exits in agreement::
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God never listens to what Trey says anywayHavent heard the song, but I have no fear of Trey becoming a Jesus freak on us. Not gonna happen. He's f***ed too many faces.
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@CornFromAJar said: I've heard plenty of perfectly normal, non-religious people talk about The Creator, a divine plan, everything being connected, ect...while tripping on acid or 'shrooms......I will say that I strongly believe in interconnection and natural energy and forces, but am definitely not sold on creator or divine plan. (Certainly worthy of note that I developed a lot of these understandings in my early phish days shooting the shit with friends/fans aided by copious amounts of herb and less copious amounts of other stuff. As well as plenty of sober alone time too.)
So there.
Not to agree or disagree with you, but I guess pointing out that there are all kinds of permutations possible.
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Tell us more about your interconnection with natural energy during your alone times @johnnyd.On second thought, maybe not.
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Wanna see my light saber?
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Not for nothing, but Trey does mention in IT that he firmly believes in a higher power. I don't mind if Trey writes these types of songs (assuming it's about God), as long as he keeps it in TAB's dimensions. As soon as a blatantly religous song crosses over into the Phish rotation, then your stink will hold more validity. TAB is Trey's band, he can write what he wants. Phish is a creative collective, so I highly doubt we'll see any pro-religion fueled tunes due to this exact potential fallout. They know their audience.
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@TannisRoot said: God never listens to what Trey says anywayAnd as long as he doesn't become the Pearl Jam of elitist Christians (stopping in between songs just so he can rant about Christianity), who'd care? It's nobody f***ing business what the guy wants to believe. If he were happy with that and that's what he believes, so be it! If he wants to go to church and pray, so be it!
Havent heard the song, but I have no fear of Trey becoming a Jesus freak on us. Not gonna happen. He's f***ed too many faces.
Not every single Christian/religious person does this, I believe in a higher power; how many times (other than now) have you seen me say something like,"you're all going to Hell" on this site? Answer: never.
The only thing just as bad as an elitist religious person is an elitist person without religion.
: Don't take that literally, I get pissed about any elitists: Republicans/Democrats, Phish fans/every other music fans, etc. Why can't we just coexist without feeling like we're better than someone? :
Sorry about the rant/melt, things like this just royally piss me off. It seems like some people are just out for somebody else's happiness sometimes; Christians, atheists, politicians, douchebags, etc.
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@tripsforjoeg said: Certainly AA rock.I don't get the AA vibe from this nearly as much as for certain other songs. For this one it speaks to me as @TheEmu has characterized it: predetermination; mysterious ways; "wanna hear God laugh? Tell him your plans" type of thing.
AA rock, to me, is more about songs like Sand, and how it discusses curing symptoms as opposed to causes and how it specifically references choosing your own religion or worshiping your own spirit - that speaks "higher power" to me.
$0.02
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There is only 1 Christian rock band out there....you know who.Jesus bleeds yellow and black
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