I completely agree and I am a Republican. The fact that we couldn't beat a president that had done this little for our country is scary.

14 posts and nobody mentioned women? This must be a Phish board.

I certainly hope OP is right. What's hilarious to me is that the Republican party right now is in exactly the same position it was in 4 years ago. After the 08 election everyone was saying that the Republican party has lost its way and needs to redefine itself. It was going to be a "new" Republican party, but nothing has changed since then. I feel like at some point the Republican party is going to have to become more moderate if they want to win a presidential election. And by moderate really I only mean a basic acceptance of reality; not refuting science and history, and not being so openly prejudiced against gays and minorities.

They need a rape jar and every time a republican mentions* the word he has to put $10k in the jar.

@molefromtheministry said:

I certainly hope OP is right. What's hilarious to me is that the Republican party right now is in exactly the same position it was in 4 years ago. After the 08 election everyone was saying that the Republican party has lost its way and needs to redefine itself. It was going to be a "new" Republican party, but nothing has changed since then. I feel like at some point the Republican party is going to have to become more moderate if they want to win a presidential election. And by moderate really I only mean a basic acceptance of reality; not refuting science and history, and not being so openly prejudiced against gays and minorities.

i think it has changed, it has gotten more conservative pandering to the whole tea party thing. now that those people are losing all their seats the GOP has two options. Either concede on some of the increasingly unpopular social issues (gay marriage, pot, abortion) and focus solely on fiscal issues, or crank their conservatism up and attract more voters that way, but i dont think that's going to work.

Very true, but it's clear that the consensus on those issues is shifting more and more liberal, so they're going to need to take a stand somewhere or find another thing to fight over to win some votes.

And I'm not so sure how many of the poor people that vote Republican are going to start realizing how bad the GOP is for them. These people all their lives have heard the praises of trickle down economics and government = bad. Both of my parents for example are lower middle class and are deathly afraid of the government doing anything, when in reality these programs are designed to specifically help them.

I don't understand it.

They are not done, just need to change for the better. They have had a chance in backing the right candidate for 5 years now in Ron Paul but instead they belittle him and throw out his ideas in public but then steal some of them because they make too much sense. Ron Paul and his followers scared them and their neocon control on things but I feel that people are slowly starting to realize that maybe there is something to his ideas of getting rid of the Fed, reducing the size of government, ending the pointless war on drugs, stop bombing 3rd world nations and stealing their stuff, stay out of the people's personal affairs, let the state's deal with state issues, ablolish the illegal and immoral income tax, etc....It is amazing how much money we would have if we just quit bombing and warring with other nations for the past 11 years now. Or how better off we would be if we just utilized our brains or the technology already out there for a better source of fuel than relying on the cartels. But until we all just wise up, the people with money and in control will continue to call these kinds of ideas as crazy and delusional. It really is a shame if you ask me and very hard to be proud to be an American. Democrats and Republicans are really not that much different when it all comes down to it. They both have their faults. Repubs want to be all moral and make all these personal decisions for you in the name of God or they want to just scare you into giving up your rights and continue to tell you that the big boogeyman in any _____________(fill in the third world nation of the month) is out to kill you when in reality we are the ones killing them for the stuff they have. Democrats want you to become completely reliant on government so that it gets to the point where you have no choice but to continue to vote for them so that you don't lose all the stuff they are now providing for you. They both do all this to keep what is most important to them...THEIR JOBS! Unfortunately for now there are so many people hurting economically that they will continue to have to rely on the government to live their lives since they can't find jobs or if they do find jobs they can't earn enough to cover the ridiculous increases in the average costs of living like food, water, electricity, fuel, etc. We need to change as a people on the whole and quit being so divided and start bettering ourselves. Only through better education can we grow out of the current despair our country is in. Look at all the money that was spent on this election this year that could have instead have been spent on education for example. We are a dumbed down society for the most part and that is truly what is hurting our once great nation. The solution other than a more informed and more educated people is to simply create term limits for the Senate and Congressional Seats as well as Supreme Court Justices, put politicians in the same plans as every citizen, simplify the tax system, and finally GET RID OF THE 2 PARTY SYSTEM! With only 2 parties in control they can always divide us and make us choose sides. A nation divided will continue to fail.