I am curious if farmers start growing it (for hemp fibers...yeah, right), if the cartels will start coming in setting fire / threatening farmers a la Mexico...

@RyeRyeRocco said:

I am curious if farmers start growing it (for hemp fibers...yeah, right), if the cartels will start coming in setting fire / threatening farmers a la Mexico...

I doubt it. I think this is one of the biggest reasons MJ needs to be legalized though. Stop the flow of money to the cartels. They will likely just shift their attention fully to their other endeavors.

@RyeRyeRocco said:

I am curious if farmers start growing it (for hemp fibers...yeah, right), if the cartels will start coming in setting fire / threatening farmers a la Mexico...

Industrial hemp also still illegal in WA under I-502. Such a shitty law. On the positive side people were tricked into voting for this because they really thought it was legalization. That says a lot about the steps cannabis has made forward in the public eye.

We ain't scurred. More tourism (no matter what the tourists' intentions or reasons) equals more money. In other words, Colorado may have 99 problems, but money ain't one.

@DirtyAl1173 said:

Speaking of Mexico, I read an article yesterday (?) that told of how Mexico is reviewing some of their drug laws regarding weed. Mainly because of WA and CO. Their view is "why should we be forced to stop the flow if you're going to legalize it."

After all, the U.S. dictates to other countries how they will deal with drugs. Sometimes by directly telling that country other times by withholding aid in exchange for a say in their laws. Shitty, I know, but that's the way it goes.

I'll see if I can find that article too.

The Berlin Wall of Cannabis is coming down that is for sure. That is the only positive of I-502 on the surface it says legalization which is AWESOME. But be forewarned if traveling to WA for weed... DO NOT DRIVE..

Can't believe federal govt lets this fly, it'll be years folks. Great start but it'll be years

@birmy said:

ATF and Med Card Holders.

What happens in CO and WA?

Wow! That's pretty crazy. Though in the article it says that everyone who buys a gun has to fill out an ATF form. I wonder if that's a State's law because in Georgia, I don't think I've ever filled that form out. Now, I did buy a couple of my firearms at Gun Shows and I think that those operate differently.

The ATF must be worried that us stoners might shoot ourselves in the foot because I don't recall any of the recent mass shootings being caused by MJ.

BTW, I should point out that I DO like guns/firearms/weapons. I'm a target shooter (not a hunter). And I am open to some regulations that I know the NRA would never accept. Why not require a safety course? Why not require registration? (I know the argument against this last one, but its B.S. because no one is going to knock on your door and ask you to give up your gun -- that would be a very dangerous job to have here in the South)

Anyway back to the issue: the Feds are going to find ways to f*** with the smokers one way or another.

@retired_from_dotnet said:

...once the USA starts it industrial hemp program the rest of the world will want to as well and that is a problem for our government....

Hmmmm I think I disagree with that part. Hemp has many uses some of which can be substitutes for oil. And I think we all agree the less oil we're pumping out of the ground the better, right? MAYBE there is some political danger but I think its small compared to the alternative. I mean it would help some of those struggling third world countries (if their land is good enough to grow on).

Now, I do partially agree with the idea that America is too forceful when it comes to telling other countries how they're supposed to live. And I think that helps contribute to a lot of the anti-America sentiment in the world.

@DirtyAl1173 said:

@retired_from_dotnet said:

...once the USA starts it industrial hemp program the rest of the world will want to as well and that is a problem for our government....

Hmmmm I think I disagree with that part. Hemp has many uses some of which can be substitutes for oil. And I think we all agree the less oil we're pumping out of the ground the better, right? MAYBE there is some political danger but I think its small compared to the alternative. I mean it would help some of those struggling third world countries (if their land is good enough to grow on).

Now, I do partially agree with the idea that America is too forceful when it comes to telling other countries how they're supposed to live. And I think that helps contribute to a lot of the anti-America sentiment in the world.

One of America's biggest exports is lumber.. The world will not need our lumber when they begin to use hemp for everything. Of course we are to forceful. If you don't like it we invade you and kill your woman and children with unmanned drones.

@RyeRyeRocco said:

I am curious if farmers start growing it (for hemp fibers...yeah, right), if the cartels will start coming in setting fire / threatening farmers a la Mexico...

I grew up around there....lived there a lot as an adult......that shit is already organized and family oriented....a solid couple of decades of crews that while above bar now, have done what they have had to do to stay in business in a highly competitive market....most are happy go lucky, but are quick to defend the niche they have carved out

....the cartel shit that comes with some of the Denver and Greeley boys has never taken root because they simply can't match the quality being thrown down by their competition. Industrial size jug-head grows will never yield anything superior to homespun Colorado goodness

@TheGuelahPapyrus said:

@retired_from_dotnet said:

I-502 in WA did NOT legalize weed. A common misconception based on headlines and the name of the initiative "I-502 Legalization of Marijuana". It decriminalized 1oz anything more is a felony. You cannot grow your own, that is a felony. Non science based DUID laws(per se law) also attached to I-502. The biggest contributor to I-502 was progressive insurance. This is because the state has 0 intention on raking in tax dollars in cannabis sales. They will again make money on court fees and prohibition not tourism.

regardless that won't likely harm weed related tourism... additionally the limit is 1 oz of weed 16 oz of solid weed stuff like brownies or 72 oz of liquid like tea or oil.

Anyways as a washingtonian i think the tourism this will create is one of the more exciting and beneficial parts of the new law.

Very possible and yes on the surface very exciting. I am remaining optimistic although slightly disappointed.