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long blog post about phish and bitonality

westbrook Permalink
westbrook Fantastic, thanks for posting.
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nematode Permalink
nematode Hell yeah, love it when people harmonically dissect Phish. There is a whole lot more goin on than meets the ear and much kudos for you for doing the work. Think I'm actually gonna show this to a few of my music professors, a lot of the jazz guys tend to blow off Phish as just a jam band but they fail to realize that they are doing the things that many of the jazz greats were doing, on the fly too!
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Freekapaug Permalink
Freekapaug Really cool....just curious if the beginning of Theme from the Bottom is using this?
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fitz93 Permalink
This is AWESOME. Definitely not TLDR material, especially for people with any knowledge of how music works.
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TwiceBitten Permalink
TwiceBitten Wonderful as always.
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waxbanks Permalink
waxbanks thanks all for the kind words -- i felt a little skeezy self-linking in a forum post, but it wouldn't do to post 4,000 words here, and this is my intended audience. so: tongue bitten, pride swallowed.
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Rutherford_B_Raves Permalink
Rutherford_B_Raves stellar work. you made my work day today bearable. id love to see a show with you sometime bruh
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RovingReporter Permalink
RovingReporter Holy cow, this is GREAT. As a musician, I love how you broke it down.

"Short version: Phish’s music is a lot more complex than it used to be, but less complicated."

I think that sentence explains Phish 3.0 in a few simple words. Congrats, sir. As a writer and editor, I say you did a great job.

As a phan, I say you did a PHENOMENAL job.
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kohlrabi Permalink
kohlrabi thanks for your insight mr. banks,, i listened to Phish today w/ a bit of a different ear.

and i kept seeing Page, w/ a huge grin, holding an award for 'rocks best pianist'
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talkinghead Permalink
Although I have done my best to understand music theory, I have to admit it's beyond me. I can *hear* some of the big moves of 20th century music--for example, the response by minimalists such as Steve Reich to the legacy of atonality--but I get lost in trying to follow more specific investigations of musical moves. I'm afraid I still don't really understand the far reaches of bitonality. But I do know writing, and this blog is very well written. And even more compellingly, I know something about aesthetic bliss, and this is a wonderful description:

"In the last few years I’ve grown to love a specific feeling that certain art gives me: something like semiotic overabundance, where a piece of art, or a piece of that piece, signifies or implies or is connected to so many different things, seems to move in so many directions, that I happily surrender the intellectual work of taxonomy and keeping track of what everything means, and experience a blissful dissolution of sense."

Vladimir Nabokov, in describing his goal in "Lolita," described aesthetic bliss as "this sense of being somehow, somewhere connected with other states of being where art (curiosity, tenderness, kindness, ecstasy) is the norm."

I love a lot of things about Phish, but especially aesthetic bliss, especially "a blissful dissolution of sense." Great job, @waxbanks!

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phishybanjo Permalink
phishybanjo Man, take this crap back to PT where it belongs! I wanna know how many pots you smoked today!

JK. I loved reading this and listening along. I'm looking forward to more.

One minor suggestion: It bothered me a little bit that I can't see a progress bar as the MP3 is playing, to see how long each clip is, or to go back to a specific place or even know which place you mean when you say 45 seconds into the clip. I guess I could download the clips but that's work. Maybe for future installments you could switch to a different method of embedding the mp3s so we can see the time?
Not complaining, just hoping to make a great blog even better.
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WickerAndCork Permalink
WickerAndCork "Mike is probably home"

I love this, thank you a thousand times.
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waxbanks Permalink
waxbanks @phishybanjo said:
One minor suggestion: It bothered me a little bit that I can't see a progress bar as the MP3 is playing, to see how long each clip is, or to go back to a specific place or even know which place you mean when you say 45 seconds into the clip. I guess I could download the clips but that's work. Maybe for future installments you could switch to a different method of embedding the mp3s so we can see the time?
@phishybanjo (and everyone else), thanks so much for the kind words. it's made my week (month!) to have so many people enjoy my writing.

i'm with you on the embedded mp3 player. it's ugly and user-unfriendly. unfortunately it's the default for typepad, and i haven't yet figured out how to generate something that looks like it was made by an adult. i'll give that a go today, as a break from the usual nonsense. :)
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dscott Permalink
Makes sense - even to a non-musician like me. Excellent!
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DanceTheJig728 Permalink
DanceTheJig728 This was a great read, awesome job.

Favorite line, talking about the Johnny B. Goode jam from Denver '97:

"This is one of those passages where dancing fans get lost in the music – it’s not clear where ‘home’ is, exactly (hint: Mike is probably home)"
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jOedOg Permalink
Incredible analysis and descriptions!!! You really put into words many of the things i've been thinking and feeling since they came back. Your writing has lots of meat on the bone man, great stuff, thanks!
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