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Let's talk about The Clifford Ball (musical content)

Roofless_Sheds Permalink
Roofless_Sheds Quite a few threads in the archive about the overall experience, vibe, and/or the DVDs, but surprisingly few about the MUSIC from that groundbreaking weekend. I intend to fix this.

Upon first listen to the old FM soundboards a few years back, I walked away utterly unimpressed. At the time '97 elastic-groove Phish was my thing. What appeal could Summer '96 Phish hold in comparison? I remember filing it under 'pedestrian, nothing special', and barely giving it a second thought.

Fast forward to this past October 20. I drove to three different Ticketmaster locations around Denver in an effort to be first in line, only to discover that most outlets in Colorado don't sell tix to any event OUTSIDE Colorado. Exhausted and pissed off, I wandered around the record store that was my third stop, and finally decided to drop the $79 on the CliffBall box set, hoping a little retail therapy would make me feel better... and did it ever.

Seeing them play this music, in front of a crowd more than TWICE the size of any they'd ever performed for before, and getting to hear it all in glorious multitracked surround sound opened my eyes. So tight, so clean, so definitive! The overwhelming projective energy which the band had NO CHOICE but to deliver to the assembled throng, with its undercurrent of abashed nervousness, is palpable in the music's peaks and valleys.

I'm gonna break down some of my favorite moments:

CDT > Bathtub Gin > Ya Mar -- PERFECT opening sequence. All three versions are candidates for "X of the Year". Zero slop in this Chalkdust, all perfectly placed notes and angular tension. Gin blows the doors off, climaxing somewhere between the superheavy Zeppelin-drum onslaught of Fall '95 and the melifluous legato HOSE of late Fall '96 and Europe '97. There is a breakdown to extreme quiet in Ya Mar that I couldn't appreciate till I SAW them pull it off... Really? 75,000 people, third song, and you bring the jam down THIS far? That takes cajones, ladies and gentlemen.

Mike's > Simple -- Straight thunder. First time I heard it on the slightly muddy SBD, I thought it was just overindulgent, uninteresting Trey wankery, with the segue into Simple coming WAYYY too late in the jam to redeem it. Now, with crystal-clear dynamics, I can appreciate how much the other three guys move around underneath the spitfire guitar. Not quite as diverse as the Mike's jam from Deer Creek the week before, but still plenty of great rhythmic and harmonic variation. Possibly the single DANCIEST Mike's played prior to Halloween '96. When Simple finally shows up, it will. not. be. denied. Great placement, great post-acoustic energy recover, great stuff.

Harry Hood -- the Fireworks Jam is awesome to watch, but the Hood proper is great upon relisten. Page and Trey ascend to the ether very early in the jam, and stay there. Delicate, beautiful, representative.

Punch > Reba > CTB -- How's this triumverate to get a crowd up and moving again after running around the tarmac all night? Probably my favorite Punch, flublessly played at a menacingly slow funky pace that you just don't hear anymore. Great intro. This Reba... if you've heard it, you understand. One of the greats, my all-time favorite version, perfectly patient, crystalline, and drop-dead gorgeous. Love they way they slam right into CTB, a great currently-underplayed chunk of NOLA by way of Vermont. Again, definitive, with awesome Page solos and an actual rhythmic *contribution* from Trey on mini-kit.

Maze > Suzy -- A*MAZE*ing. Killed it, straight up. My favorite Maze ever... some of them, especially in '95-96, can go on too long, almost to a masturbatory point (see Deer Creek), but this one is concise and fiery. Great interplay, solos and ending totally on point. If there was a better, tighter, or more celebratory Suzy played during the 'big rock' period of '95-96, I haven't heard it.

It's Ice > Brother -- Trey's personal favorite slice of the Ball, due to pefect execution of the Ice composition, a "was that composed?" creamy jam center, and a ripping Brother, the first in over three years. Ben and Jerry's contribution cracks me up every time.

Tweezer -- I've never heard ANYBODY mention this Tweezer, but I'm here to say that if you want to show somebody with a short attention span what sort of potential this song has, it's basically a one-stop shop (I know, the same could be said for SO MANY Ball jams!). Not a single extraneous note is played, with plenty of bombastic pre-funk bounce. Bonus points for featuring clearly intelligible vocals in full harmony, something I'm a stickler for in Tweezers and something that was lacking from '97 through... today, pretty much.

Soundcheck -- Taken as a whole, probably the most interesting hour of music played in Plattsburg. A tantalizing snapshot of the band's creative process at this point, with great banter. Mr. Sausage!

Flatbed Jam -- So cool to own and be able to watch. The music SOUNDS like hundreds of tiny (Christmas) lights floating through black space, bouncing off each other.

Takeaway? BUY THIS BOXSET. It truly is the most comprehensive and satisfying piece of merch that Phish has ever produced for its fans.

What did y'all like about the Ball, musically speaking?
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westbrook Permalink
westbrook Clifford Ball may not have a lot of Type 2 jams, but all of the type 1 jams are great. If I want to hear a solid, clean version of a song, I'll throw on the Clifford Ball. Ya Mar, It's Ice, Reba, DwD, and Slave are my favorites. Also my go-to Lizards.
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd The bass bomb at the beginning of Tweeprise was the most amazing thing I had ever heard in my life up to that point.

For a couple years, Phish had been redefining for me what was possible in terms of the physics of sound - quality, volume, clarity, etc. in multiple environments.

Seeing and hearing what they had set up out there was a wonder of engineering to me. I was nowhere near the stage when that note dropped. I could not believe how big, how all-encompassing it was.

On a similar note, the descending guitar line in Life On Mars? hit me the same way in terms of high end. Crystal clear and piercing the atmosphere.
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fishman4 Permalink
fishman4 I think the crispness of that Curtain should be mentioned too, and also that Melt definitely should not be overlooked at all.

Other honorable mentions that people should check out if they haven't already...

Bowie
That whole set of acoustic songs they played
Fluffhead (My favorite version ever, composed section is so tight and the jam at the end gets HOT)
Antelope (straight FIRE)
Slave (beautiful version)

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TheDeputy Permalink
TheDeputy I love it so much. I can maybe claim the ball as my all-time favorite phish. I want to say my favorite era is 98/99 (the 'ambient', spaced out, atmospheric jams) so this is contrary, but I love the clifford ball so much.
It's, like you said, so tight and so clean. This was when setlists were composed and single sets flowed so well and took on a once in a lifetime cohesiveness, existing on their own as a unique entity. > s and -> s were so smooth. for example, the AC/DC> Esther, Halleys> Bowie, makisupa> 2001> disease> nicu, reba> ctb, curtain> runaway jim were meant to be. They were married so well and existed right when and where they were supposed to be. The band was f&$%ing on.
And the quality of the recordings are just so good. I love the sound of Trey's guitar in the ball recordings.
I don't get a chance to sit and listen to music for extended periods of time these days. So, when it comes to phish, I'm unfortunately doing the pick and choose, a song here, a song there, kind of thing. For example, for 3.0, I've basically only listend to the official clips on the band's vimeo page and snippets of shows I was at. yeah, it's a bummer. Anyway, whenever i get a chance or jones, I seem to gravitate to the clifford ball. mmm...
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awhill34 Permalink
awhill34 My favorite Mike's Groove. I love that transition into Simple with the erie vocal accompaniment.
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Roofless_Sheds Permalink
Roofless_Sheds Yes! I LOVE talking about CliffBall.

A few things I forgot to mention:

- Trey's tone is the closest to absolutely perfect I've ever heard, both on its own and in the context of the whole band's sonic blend.

- This is MY go-to Lizards, as well. The only other that comes close is NYE '95 (Drowned > ... as a bonus).

- The first sets on both days are incredibly crafted. Fantastic flow, and excellent execution goes without saying. You couldn't MAKE a better Set 1 using only '96-era songs than the first one they played on the weekend.

- The original 'The Set' - Day 2, Set 2 - is thrilling from beginning to end. I didn't specifically call out Fluffhead or Antelope, but they are both as brilliantly executed as ANY (non-type 2) versions this band has ever thrown down.

No posting of links to download copyrighted music or video, particularly Phish's commercial soundboard downloads from LivePhish.com or the band's albums. However, posting links to band-authorized audience recordings is definitely cool! :)
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DanceTheJig728 Permalink
DanceTheJig728 ::Hasn't heard much Clifford Ball, hangs head in shame::

This will change tonight
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DanceTheJig728 Permalink
DanceTheJig728 On a somewhat side-note, I find all my go-to Lizards are fron the '80s.
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_________________________ Permalink
_________________________ THe Mike's Groove is my favorite to listen to. SOAMule is pretty interesting. I love the stage performers during the Antelope.
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dave25 Permalink
Not to be that guy but I did just order the DVD today off amazon. Can't wait
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RR1994 Permalink
Serious lack of linkage in this thread. If a noob didn't know better, he would think this thread is just a bunch of old farts rambling about some "old" Phish show while he blasts Dick's 2012 for the 3,000th time. Gotta educate the gnewbs, like myself.








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fishman4 Permalink
fishman4 @dave25 said:
Not to be that guy but I did just order the DVD today off amazon. Can't wait
You won't be disappointed. It's f***ing awesome.
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TwiceBitten Permalink
TwiceBitten Great thread. For some reason these DVDs still have not found their way into my home...they are on Netflix though...huh...
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dave25 Permalink
Yes I can't stop checking my email for a shipping number I ordered that and the it DVD at once... What's the scoop with the it DVD anyone ?
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Herbdacious Permalink
Herbdacious ITSICE!
sooooo dark and crazy

awesome slave, reba, tweezer, and bowie
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Roofless_Sheds Permalink
Roofless_Sheds @dave25 said:
What's the scoop with the it DVD anyone ?
Good shiz. Not the whole festival, but a decent cross section of the music (two and a half hours worth), plus an interesting 90-minute documentary. The only bad part is that in his documentary interview segments, Trey looks and sounds like death.
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dave25 Permalink
@Roofless_Sheds said:
@dave25 said:
What's the scoop with the it DVD anyone ?
Good shiz. Not the whole festival, but a decent cross section of the music (two and a half hours worth), plus an interesting 90-minute documentary. The only bad part is that in his documentary interview segments, Trey looks and sounds like death.

Word not to excited to see trey All bent out of shape and stuff, hitting the cliff ball DVD first I can't believe it has taken me over four years since my first show to get this. I contemplated way to hard and never got around to it.... Hurry up ups
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cactusfootbell Permalink
cactusfootbell Enough cant be said about Treys tone and the over quality of the recordings in general. Sheesh this concert is my end all be all of phish..
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Choda Permalink
Choda My friend and I traveled the US the summer of 96 and at my behest...the Clifford Ball was our starting point. It was a crazy amazing weekend where I saw my heroes do everything for our pleasure.
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jerryguscia Permalink
jerryguscia @DanceTheJig728 said:
On a somewhat side-note, I find all my go-to Lizards are fron the '80s.
Mine is IT (08/03/03), it's so majestic; everything is perfect.
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dave25 Permalink
Guys I seriously cant wait to get this... uhhhh
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deBebbler Permalink
deBebbler I was hanging out with my buddy in Fall '96, the night before my first show, and he had to head out for a bit. He told me to hang out while he was gone and to listen to the Clifford Ball set he just received.

After Makisupa and Mr. Sausage 2001, the jam from DWD just blew me away. When my buddy got back, he found me after I had rewound it and cranked the volume, just rocking out, lol. It wasn't until the second listen that I even realized that they covered a Bowie tune after it. The jam just consumed me.

I love those Clifford Ball sets, because they were what drove me to attend the Went (and every other show from Illinois to Maine that summer, save Hershey Park). What a glorious time.

::gets misty over here::
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Roofless_Sheds Permalink
Roofless_Sheds
August 15, 1996

Plattsburgh Air Force Base, Plattsburgh, NY

Set 1: Jam, Hold Your Head Up, Jam, Jam

Notes: This was the soundcheck for The Clifford Ball. The final jam segment included the first annual soundcheck tribute to "Mr. Sausage," multiple shout-outs to festival staff, and Trey on his mini-drum kit. 50+ minutes of this check were included on the Clifford Ball DVD bonus disc.


August 16, 1996

Plattsburgh Air Force Base, Plattsburgh, NY

Set 1: Chalk Dust Torture, Bathtub Gin[1], Ya Mar, AC/DC Bag > Esther > Divided Sky, Halley's Comet > David Bowie

Set 2: Split Open and Melt, Sparkle > Free, The Squirming Coil, Waste[2], Talk[2], Train Song[2], Strange Design[2], Hello My Baby, Mike's Song -> Simple -> Contact > Weekapaug Groove

Set 3: Makisupa Policeman > Also Sprach Zarathustra > Down with Disease[3] -> NICU, Life on Mars? > Harry Hood -> Jam

Encore: Amazing Grace

Set 4: Flatbed Truck Jam

[1] Brief DEG tease from Trey.
[2] Acoustic mini-stage.
[3] Unfinished.

Notes: This was the first show of The Clifford Ball festival. Bathtub Gin contained a brief DEG tease from Trey. Waste through Strange Design were performed on the acoustic mini-stage. Disease was unfinished. The second set was preceded by a Mary Had a Little Lamb tease. The jam at the end of Harry Hood accompanied a fireworks display. The band took to the back of a flatbed truck at around 3:30 in the morning and drove through the crowd. The performance was one long open-ended jam.


August 17, 1996

Plattsburgh Air Force Base, Plattsburgh, NY

Set 1: The Old Home Place, Punch You In the Eye, Reba[1] > Cars Trucks Buses, The Lizards, Sample in a Jar, Taste, Fee[2] -> Maze, Suzy Greenberg

Set 2: The Curtain > Runaway Jim, It's Ice > Brother[3], Fluffhead, Run Like an Antelope > Golgi Apparatus > Slave to the Traffic Light

Set 3: Wilson[4] > Frankenstein, Scent of a Mule[5], Tweezer, A Day in the Life, Possum > Tweezer Reprise

Encore: Harpua[6]

[1] No whistling.
[2] Trey sang verses through megaphone.
[3] Ben and Jerry on vocals.
[4] Heartbreaker tease.
[5] Page/Fishman Mule Duel.
[6] Unfinished.

Notes: This was the second show of The Clifford Ball festival. Reba did not have the whistling ending. Trey sang the verses of Fee through a megaphone. Before the second set, Trey paid tribute to Aaron Stein of Syracuse, who was front row center for every show of the tour. The first Brother since August 2, 1993 (258 shows) featured Ben and Jerry on guest vocals. Wilson included a Heartbreaker tease. Antelope featured a female acrobat twirling in the rigging, suspended above the stage in a circus-like fashion. Scent of a Mule featured a Page/Fishman duel instead of the typical Page/Trey duel. Tweezer had big trampolines on each side of the stage and more circus shenanigans. A stunt plane circled overhead during Tweezer Reprise and Harpua. Harpua was unfinished; it was completed on August 16, 1997 at The Great Went.

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phishhheads Permalink
i wish i was there
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Roofless_Sheds Permalink
Roofless_Sheds still got those upgraded SBDs if anybody wants 'em. PM me!
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd @Roofless_Sheds said:
still got those upgraded SBDs if anybody wants 'em. PM me!
I deleted that above. Please don't offer DVD rips again. Thanks.

http://phish.net/terms-of-use.php
1. No posting of links to download copyrighted music or video, particularly Phish's commercial soundboard downloads from LivePhish.com or the band's albums. However, posting links to band-authorized audience recordings is definitely cool!

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cactusfootbell Permalink
cactusfootbell @johnnyd said:
@Roofless_Sheds said:
still got those upgraded SBDs if anybody wants 'em. PM me!
I deleted that above. Please don't offer DVD rips again. Thanks. http://phish.net/terms-of-use.php
1. No posting of links to download copyrighted music or video, particularly Phish's commercial soundboard downloads from LivePhish.com or the band's albums. However, posting links to band-authorized audience recordings is definitely cool!
Johhnyd is a narc...Runnnnnn!
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dave25 Permalink
Shipped cant wait... I should have done this years ago, too bad my local record stores/ best buys didnt have this I would have already raged it so HARDD
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd The man, keeping you down. That's me.

But I also love sticking it to the man. So I am kind of conflicted.
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Roofless_Sheds Permalink
Roofless_Sheds @johnnyd said:
The man, keeping you down. That's me.

But I also love sticking it to the man. So I am kind of conflicted.
i really have no idea why they haven't offered the remastered SBD audio to download via LivePhish. they went through all the trouble to make it one of their best-sounding releases ever... why not sell it to the ravening masses? if i could purchase it, i would, and would encourage others to do the same.

is there no grey area here, concerning the audio? if i offered an audio-only version of 'Tracking' for download, would i be in violation? please help me understand.
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd @Roofless_Sheds said:
@johnnyd said:
The man, keeping you down. That's me.

But I also love sticking it to the man. So I am kind of conflicted.
i really have no idea why they haven't offered the remastered SBD audio to download via LivePhish. they went through all the trouble to make it one of their best-sounding releases ever... why not sell it to the ravening masses? if i could purchase it, i would, and would encourage others to do the same.

is there no grey area here, concerning the audio? if i offered an audio-only version of 'Tracking' for download, would i be in violation? please help me understand.
There may be gray area somewhere in the morass of copyright law, but I don't think there is in this situation. That would strike me as a violation of the site's ToU. I'm no expert though. Allow me to call my attorney...

( What calling my attorney may sound like )

@jackl...?
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Sanudila Permalink
Sanudila I don't want to be a downer here, but aside from all the greatness that existed that weekend I really have to mention the confusion that Harpua caused me and my friends. What a really strange and disappointing way to end such a fantastic experience. I get that same feeling in my chest when I watch it now.
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awhill34 Permalink
awhill34 @Sanudila said:
I don't want to be a downer here, but aside from all the greatness that existed that weekend I really have to mention the confusion that Harpua caused me and my friends. What a really strange and disappointing way to end such a fantastic experience. I get that same feeling in my chest when I watch it now.
Made the beginning of the Great Went that much cooler. It was strange, but not that big of a deal to me.
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buffalo_voice Permalink
buffalo_voice All I would add is that the version of The Curtain they played made me a lifelog lover of that song. Before that I just didn't give it the time of day, now it is one of my favorites. Maybe growing older makes you appreciate the line

"please, we have no regrets"

and then Trey's aching guitar line....perfection.
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Fluffhead Permalink
Fluffhead 2nd Set, 2nd Night is one of the greatest, most heroic, awe inspiring, straight up balls to the wall, "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" Phish I have ever seen live.

They were boss.

That Fluffhead....holy $hit.

And the Slave? Fuhgeddaboudit.
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Thunder Permalink
Thunder I've loved the Clifford Ball "Free" since the moment I first heard it (on tape). To this day I can't hear it and not be back in time, remembering listening to my old fm copy on cassette tape. That awesome type I jam always made me feel like i was listening to a plane crashing or something. There's probably better versions, but for me, the Free from the CB was instantly unique. I think that analogy might apply to the rest of the Clifford Ball in general. The songs/jams are well executed/hot/recognizable and in the box for the most part but smoking nonetheless. Personally I like my Phish with a heavy side of deep improv, for that reason it doesn't find it's way into my rotation alot. I recently checked out the soundcheck and flat bed truck jam on the dvd bonus disc. Just incredible. If my girlfriend at the time had gotten her way, the CB would've been my first Phish shows; my band had other plans as we had a pretty big gig (for us anyways) that weekend. She got me to The Great Went a year later and I've been eternally thankful ever since for opening that door.
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chaizul Permalink
Still one of the best weekends of my life. The 2nd set of the 2nd night is still my favorite set that I've ever seen (and I've seen some pretty good sets in my careeer). Some personal musical highlights for me include the reba, the melt, the whole 8/17 2nd set, the dwd> nicu, the tweezer, the possum, the hood, and the mule. The harpua bugged us out until they wrapped it up @ the went. Such an awesome time! Camping kirk rules!
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jerryguscia Permalink
jerryguscia @Roofless_Sheds said:
@johnnyd said:
The man, keeping you down. That's me.

But I also love sticking it to the man. So I am kind of conflicted.
i really have no idea why they haven't offered the remastered SBD audio to download via LivePhish. they went through all the trouble to make it one of their best-sounding releases ever... why not sell it to the ravening masses? if i could purchase it, i would, and would encourage others to do the same.
Worst part? They play parts of it on LivePhish radio, I heard the Clifford Ball Weekapaug on there (and it was SHREDDING)
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JLLSU Permalink
JLLSU Clifford Ball was my first show and I went in with very little in the way of expectations (I was/am a huge Head and nothing could compare in my mind at the time). Made a 17 hour drive from Raleigh with 3 good friends and I was completely blown away. The music hit me in a place that I didn't even know existed. I don't want to slight the birth of my kids, but it might have been the best two days of my life.
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dave25 Permalink
Still waiting ....
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johnnyd Phish.net Staff Permalink
johnnyd @dave25 - you should make sure to take care of anything that really needs to get done. Once that package shows up, you aint gonna be doing shit for a while.

1 friend in particular - whenever we see them we go into a Clifford Ball DVD vacuum. Every time. Even if we intend not to. Its unavoidable. We'll be hanging with them Saturday, so that's cool.
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dave25 Permalink
@johnnyd said:
@dave25 - you should make sure to take care of anything that really needs to get done. Once that package shows up, you aint gonna be doing shit for a while.

1 friend in particular - whenever we see them we go into a Clifford Ball DVD vacuum. Every time. Even if we intend not to. Its unavoidable. We'll be hanging with them Saturday, so that's cool.

I'm writing a paper that's due this week for school so it's not a burden when it shows up and I can rage this. Should be here tomorrow if not Tuesday... I'm über excited
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joe_b Permalink
@dave25 said:
Not to be that guy but I did just order the DVD today off amazon. Can't wait
great decision, the soundcheck is ill
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DanceTheJig728 Permalink
DanceTheJig728 Finally just got the entire first day into my ears, then I realized I'm going to ask for the DVD for Christmas so I'll probably wait to hear Day 2 until then! Can't do anything but conquer on the amazing quality of all the jams and the vibe you can feel come through for it being the first Phesty.
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cptpowder Permalink
cptpowder I was there I often have random powerful musical moments that really stick out. For me it was the split open and melt. I remember being down page side along the fence. Not right in front but out a little ways. Holy shit were they shredding this and the crowd around me was just going off!! Fuggn serious dance time. All total strangers but everyone was right there with the band just raging it. I remember just reeling from the energy as I would glance from my dance spot to the massive crowd then to the stage and back to dancing over and over again. I was in total awe of what was going down. Yeah buddy thats the stuff.
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dave25 Permalink
I've listened to them before from the spreadsheets but I feel like watching this DVD will bring me to a whole new level ... Right or wrong ? Anyone have the same experience ?
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Fluffhead Permalink
Fluffhead I was 20 people deep for 2nd set, 2nd night. That Fluffhead blew my mind to pieces, and I'll never forget the heavy metal crunching right before the chill in Slave. I felt like Trey and Mike were marching musically. They were all so tight. The woman on the rope during Antelope and the professional trampoline jumpers during Tweezer were great. I was terrified the woman on the rope was going to fall. If I remember correctly, something went wrong either during the rope or trampoline routines.

But, the Fluffhead and Slave are my go to versions. Simply amazing.
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dave25 Permalink
BUMPPPPPPPP just got here, wont be hearing from me from quite some time .net ill be in my onw little world. Ill be sure to hit yous up with an opinion/observations. Im dying of excitment
: Pops first dvd into the player:
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dave25 Permalink
Some of my favorites after finishing all this disks are Cdt mikes Reba and ice and fluffhead were hard ragers Among others
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