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What Phish song has the darkest tone?

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geniusshemaybe Permalink
geniusshemaybe Just curious I am looking something that sounds dark.
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RR1994 Permalink
Carini.
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RR1994 Permalink
For live versions, check out mid-late 90's mikes songs. Start with 12/31/95
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Fenris Permalink
Fenris Carini had a lumpy head...
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steamstash Permalink
steamstash Dirt. I mean its set to whistling, so it really is degraded on scariness, but the message is dark.
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Abrahm Permalink
Abrahm Stash, Bowie, Split, 92-96 Tweezers
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pflaumja Permalink
pflaumja My friend my friend.
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forbin1 Permalink
forbin1 Sand
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Abrahm Permalink
Abrahm Frankie Says
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RR1994 Permalink
10/31/98 wolfman's too
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bobbob Permalink
For me, it would have to be Maze or Foam
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kipmat Permalink
kipmat Maggie's Revenge?
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doglogin Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGy28KZZEvo
Saw it Again-What's the Use-Carini-My Friend My Friend... there's a dark version of almost all their songs. You just have to dig around to find them. The link above is the Wormtown Jam (7.02.97)
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MiguelSanchez Permalink
MiguelSanchez Final answer...

Rock a William

Bring it back!!
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kipmat Permalink
kipmat @MiguelSanchez said:
Final answer...

Rock a William

Bring it back!!
"We heard his sister screamin', as he raised his hammer high..."
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jerryguscia Permalink
jerryguscia @doglogin said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBubAvBbtXY
I've never thought of that song as dark, I always thought of it as beautiful and soaring. It's just such a magnificent song to me; where I feel as nothing is wrong.
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007below Permalink
007below shafty
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jerryguscia Permalink
jerryguscia @geniusshemaybe said:
Just curious I am looking something that sounds dark.
Also, if you're looking for dark, this is possibly the funniest (but definitely the darkest, at the end) Mockingbird narration I've ever heard:

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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller Oh "tone" as in tone
/tōn/
Noun
The overall quality of a musical or vocal sound: "the piano tone is lacking in warmth".
Verb
Give greater strength or firmness to (the body or a part of it): "exercise tones up the muscles".
Synonyms
noun. tint - note - sound - tune
verb. tune - harmonize

Not,

Tone: the writer's attitude toward the material and/or readers. Tone may be playful, formal, intimate, angry, serious, ironic, outraged, baffled, tender, serene, depressed, etc.

Huh. Stoned out if my brain but figured out that it is hard to communicate when we use words with different perceived definitions, this is a classic example with regard to a musicians ear and writers eyes meaning your talking about sound and I'm talking about the lyrics.

Huh, Esther's can be menacing, or stormy which could be a form of "dark"
But, the low sounds in carini or aspects TFTB, though TFTB brings it right back up.

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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @Dollop_of_Murk said:
What's the Use.
I never heard it, not ashamed to say it because I cannot wait to hear it live should I have the opportunity. I listened to 5 sec and IMO yes thats dark.

Ty @doglin, for sharing that gem
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GhostBuster Permalink
GhostBuster Carini and I saw it again are definitely two that come to my mind.

I alwayth thought A Song I Heard the Ocean Sing was pretty dark. After all it's a shining light in darkness deep.
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tidemikey Permalink
bowie intros.
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Friedmann Permalink
Big Cypress Mike's, there's an awesome video of it on youtube too
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Dollop_of_Murk Permalink
Dollop_of_Murk @careful_w_that_axe_Miller said:
@Dollop_of_Murk said:
What's the Use.
I never heard it, not ashamed to say it because I cannot wait to hear it live should I have the opportunity. I listened to 5 sec and IMO yes thats dark.

Ty @doglin, for sharing that gem
Try the Portsmouth '12 Hood> What's the Use> Wading in the Velvet Sea.

At the time, a lot of people didn't like it because it didn't return to Hood, but it works really well. No one talks about it any more.

I thought I heard it coming this year at Dicks N3, but no luck. Twenty Years Later filled the darkness quotient there, though I'd have preferred Roggae in that slot.
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walstib Permalink
walstib I think the descending rift in the last 2 minutes of Twenty Years Later is very dark. Almost Zepplinesque. Would like to see that jammed out one day.
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meanpete Permalink
@walstib said:
I think the descending rift in the last 2 minutes of Twenty Years Later is very dark. Almost Zepplinesque. Would like to see that jammed out one day.
try spac 09 on for size
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geniusshemaybe Permalink
geniusshemaybe I was a lil stoned when I started the thread and gave up on clarifying or proper grammar :)

@careful_w_that_axe_Miller said:
Oh "tone" as in tone
/tōn/
Noun
The overall quality of a musical or vocal sound: "the piano tone is lacking in warmth".
Verb
Give greater strength or firmness to (the body or a part of it): "exercise tones up the muscles".
Synonyms
noun. tint - note - sound - tune
verb. tune - harmonize

Not,

Tone: the writer's attitude toward the material and/or readers. Tone may be playful, formal, intimate, angry, serious, ironic, outraged, baffled, tender, serene, depressed, etc.

Huh. Stoned out if my brain but figured out that it is hard to communicate when we use words with different perceived definitions, this is a classic example with regard to a musicians ear and writers eyes meaning your talking about sound and I'm talking about the lyrics.

Huh, Esther's can be menacing, or stormy which could be a form of "dark"
But, the low sounds in carini or aspects TFTB, though TFTB brings it right back up.
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joe_b Permalink
glide
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BernardShakey Permalink
BernardShakey @molefromtheministry said:
@RR1994 said:
10/31/98 wolfman's too
this.
Awesome username. I love the Dukes of Stratosphear. I've alwasy thought 25 o Clock would make a great halloween musical costume if it werent so short.
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parrott56 Permalink
parrott56 "Fukuoka Jam #1."
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parrott56 Permalink
parrott56 @parrott56 said:
"Fukuoka Jam #1."
No kidding, though, this jam is DARK. I listened to this once while starting to doze off into a nap -- then I had a dream about my own mortality.

True story.
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mathemagician Permalink
mathemagician @RR1994 said:
For live versions, check out mid-late 90's mikes songs. Start with 12/31/95
Agreed! The 12/31/95 Weekapaug is such a stark contrast to the dark Mike's...very nice dynamics.
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ProfessorDude Permalink
@Dollop_of_Murk said:


Try the Portsmouth '12 Hood> What's the Use> Wading in the Velvet Sea.

At the time, a lot of people didn't like it because it didn't return to Hood, but it works really well. No one talks about it any more.
I suspect the reason they don't talk about that anymore is precisely because the band never returned to Hood. Had they done so, people would, I think, still be talking about it. Hood, of course, offers one of the most uplifting jams in Phish's repertoire; What's The Use one of the darkest. Segueing from Hood to WTU was, to my ears, really inspired. It felt like a slow-motion free fall from the clouds to the bottom of a very murky ocean. Had they then just as slowly surfaced back into Hood, they would have taken everyone on a trip with some meaningful destination. Think of that euphoric jam that emerges from the darkness in the middle of the Providence Bowie. It feels like the light at the end of the tunnel, although it isn't quite. By electing to go into Velvet Sea instead of back into Hood, the band goes from light and happy to dark and dismal and then into wistful melancholy. It was deeply awkward, imho, and suggested to me then (I was there) that Trey was not thinking about the emotional aspects of his music but just the setlist aspects. For me, it was a missed opportunity.

I like this thread, as I feel as if Phish's darker material -- however you want to define dark -- doesn't get talked about enough.
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Dollop_of_Murk Permalink
Dollop_of_Murk @ProfessorDude said:
@Dollop_of_Murk said:


Try the Portsmouth '12 Hood> What's the Use> Wading in the Velvet Sea.

At the time, a lot of people didn't like it because it didn't return to Hood, but it works really well. No one talks about it any more.
I suspect the reason they don't talk about that anymore is precisely because the band never returned to Hood. Had they done so, people would, I think, still be talking about it. Hood, of course, offers one of the most uplifting jams in Phish's repertoire; What's The Use one of the darkest. Segueing from Hood to WTU was, to my ears, really inspired. It felt like a slow-motion free fall from the clouds to the bottom of a very murky ocean. Had they then just as slowly surfaced back into Hood, they would have taken everyone on a trip with some meaningful destination. Think of that euphoric jam that emerges from the darkness in the middle of the Providence Bowie. It feels like the light at the end of the tunnel, although it isn't quite. By electing to go into Velvet Sea instead of back into Hood, the band goes from light and happy to dark and dismal and then into wistful melancholy. It was deeply awkward, imho, and suggested to me then (I was there) that Trey was not thinking about the emotional aspects of his music but just the setlist aspects. For me, it was a missed opportunity.

I like this thread, as I feel as if Phish's darker material -- however you want to define dark -- doesn't get talked about enough.
I think you nailed it about why this song sequence isn't very popular, and I like your description of the sonic journey. I totally understand why a return to Hood would've been perfect, but I also think this is a prime example of, as you said, "deeply awkward" Phish. It's similar in some ways to all the other things Phish does that challenge their listeners, especially new listeners. It makes people uncomfortable. It forces listeners out of their comfort zone. In a small way, it redefines what Phish is. It's definitely Phish on the edge, on the boundary, and if I could ask the band about the song selection here, I bet we'd get an emotional answer.

There's a lot of reasons to like this sequence, just as there are reasons to not like it. What was it like in the crowd when this was going down? On my AUD there's a break in WTU where the crowd is obviously ready for a return to Hood, and they don't receive it. Phish was playing with emotion right there, which is maybe the only place we disagree.
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RyanW Permalink
RyanW Guyute.
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mathemagician Permalink
mathemagician I'm surprised no one has mentioned any YEMs. The vocal jams can be very dark. 11/20/09 freaked me out to the point that I wrote 'Scary Vocal Jam' in my setlist.

@Abrahm Frankie Says can be pretty dark, I just listened to the Island Tour version.
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MomaDan Permalink
MomaDan @DanceTheJig728 said:
@MomaDan said:
@molefromtheministry said:
@RR1994 said:
10/31/98 wolfman's too
this.
so menacing it scared Trey off stage

Huh? Elaborate por favor
oops I meant Ghost. Trey walks off in the middle of the third song of the set, rumor says he was tripping face.



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Frizz Permalink
Frizz When Phish can create something like Southbound Pachyderm, then I will consider them "dark."
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