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The Clifford Ball

dave25 Permalink
I second this question because I got the DVD today and watched the first three disks. What a rage fest
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jackl Phish.net Staff Permalink
jackl This has been discussed in the forum previously (http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1294359716).

I think what you may be looking for is Jeremy D. Goodwin's (@J_D_G) essay on the Clifford Ball which was published in the first edition of The Phish Companion (2000) and is republished on this site in the show reviews for 8/16/96. Enjoy, this is a classic:

http://phish.net/reviews/permalink.php?commentid=1294602598

(BTW, Jeremy is a Mockingbird Foundation board member, professional independent journalist and music critic for the Berkshire Eagle)
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @jackl, really great. Were you there?

Edit: thank you for the link and info, 9th largest city in NY?
Flatbed jam? Who drives around on a flatbed jamming, must of been awesome.

Love this: (from the above linked review, J.D. Goodwin)

Serendipitously, this was also one of those points along the line of Phish's history where both the band and the audience simultaneously *got* something, and realized that things were changing at that very moment. Sometimes this happens through the music, on a night like 5/7/94. Sometimes it happens through the event, as at the early New Year's shows, or the first show at MSG. The Great Went "Gin" was a time when both of these paths to transcendence collided. On these occasions we all grow up a little, as a community, and for a clear moment achieve a shared consciousness. There are moments sometimes on tour when the room *knows*…knows that we're all moving forward, in a way, entering ground that neither band nor audience had ever been to before. At least not together.
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sirhotpants Permalink
sirhotpants It was a freakin' blast. Obviously. We took a van up there between junior and senior year of high school, counting the seconds until that weekend. Our interest was piqued with heads-ups and info published in the Doniac Schvice. Traffic wasn't bad getting in there. Mounted police all over the place, though not giving anyone shit. On the first night there were drum circles everywhere and a massive one near the gates of the concert ground, where we all flocked when we could vaguely hear the soundcheck coming over the field. The gates for day 1 opened up at noon (I believe) and my one buddy Wiedes and I decided we'd try to get up front since there were a bajillion people in attendance and we'd only been way up front once or twice before (10/7/94 and 12/15/95 off the top of my head). So we lined up at the gate. I was clad in a rain poncho, Merrell hiking boots, and a fanny pack containing a bottle of water and a granola bar. They unlatched the section of gate right next to us and the security people were all shouting WALLKK, which prompted us all to start running. It seemed far as hell to the stage area, and the vendors and employees were cheering us on as we sprinted to plaster ourselves up against those barriers in the front. We made it to the spot right in front of Page, and the stage was huge. We hung out for what seemed like all day, and now that I'm in my mid-thirties and slovenly I wonder how the hell I made it on a granola bar and a bottle of water.

But I guess you wanted to hear about the music. We were all pumped to begin with, and the mysterious camera crew kept going up and down the front row getting our cheers (we wondered what the cameras were for and thought at the time it was only for the MTV half-hour special that aired that fall...so you could imagine how psyched I was that they released the DVD a few years ago.) The band came out and we couldn't see the crowd behind us, but we could see them checking it out and Trey grinning ear to ear. They plugged in, people around us all called the first song, and someone around us called Chalkdust and so it was. So we're high-fiving and everyone is flipping out and it's pretty raucous, and it was thrilling to hear the noise of everyone shouting 'CAN I LIVE WHILE I'M YOUNG?' behind us. Every song during that first set seemed to appeal to a different vibe that day - "Esther" really stood out, both because I hadn't heard it live before (I don't think) and also because of the circus-like atmosphere of the whole place. The weather was nice and the sky was clear, and they followed with a soaring rendition of what was my favorite song at the time, "Divided Sky." The pause was long and Fishman scoffed Trey's goofy-yet-metaphysically-serious staring up at the sky with his mouth open-look before 'ting ting' and back into the song. To follow that up with Halley's > Bowie, in our opinion, gave the band a challenge to top that in the next five sets. We were all thinking, 'this is how they start things off?'

The set break seemed eternal, but we had the full effect light show to look forward to when they came back out for "SOaM." At some point after "Squirming Coil," I decided to bail and get something to eat & take a much-needed piss, while my comrade opted to stay up front. It turned out to be decent timing, as far as I was concerned, since their little acoustic set-within-a set was just as enjoyable sitting in the grass over by the vendors eating a sausage peppers & onions sandwich. Again, I was astonished when they pulled out the roaring "Mike's > Simple > Contact Weekapaug" to end the set, because where could they go when they already have it turned up to eleven?

They answered in the third set with "2001 > DWD." Everything after had a twinge of mellow to it, sort of a way to settle us all down (with the exception of the crescendo in "Hood" ;) . The "Life on Mars," I had never heard before and was busted out apparently because of a recent news event (I hate to sound ignorant but it was either that rover reaching Mars or pictures taken by the rover of some horseshoe-crab lookin' beast on the surface of Mars, I forget), and the people around me were talking about that.

We slept through the flatbed jam. People weren't cheering and they weren't playing loud, and of course there was a world of lot-noise going on all night, so when they rolled by our camping area none of us stirred. Ah well. I will say that the whole weekend had a feeling that they weren't doing it to make a buck or sell records or whatever, they were doing it for us. The flatbed jam was part of that, but the entire scene was one that was meant for us all to enjoy ourselves, which we definitely did.

Day 2 I won't go into a lot of detail, but I remember the entire first set being songs that worked best when sunny outside; instead of squeezing up front again I gathered in the way back with everyone we drove up with and some other buddies. I took off my shoes for "Old Home Place" and enjoyed how serene the "Reba" and "Lizards" were (always a treat, maybe my third or fourth "Lizards" ;) . We got up near the soundbord for the rest of the show and dug the Ben & Jerry's "Brother" (first one of those) and the scorching "Antelope" with the acrobatics, the band sort of meandering until she got going and they could accompany each other right. "Slave" reminded us that we were leaving that night after the show. Set three was a beast, people jumping on tramps in skis and whatnot (?) What a novel idea!

The "Harpua" encore blew our minds, although like everyone else we were sort of baffled by the quietness of the ending. I think there was a miscue with the glider, and I'm sure people commented on that on other threads. Trey did seem miffed as they left the stage, I think. I mean, you throw a weekend-long hootenanny with tens of thousands of fans who have a blast, only to get criticized for an awkward encore.

We left that night in an effort to beat traffic, and also because my one friend was flying out of Albany the next afternoon. We made it down 87 a few miles and decided to pull over to get some sleep in a rest station. I tried sleeping in my driver's seat of the van but it wasn't happening so I threw my sleeping bag down in the grass and fell asleep immediately.

Here's the funny anecdote of that drive that is something we still talk about: our friend P was dead to the world asleep, coming down from the weekend as a whole. We dropped our one friend off at the airport in Albany so he could fly out and meet his dad for a college visitation somewhere. So when P woke up he was groggy for about forty five minutes, not saying a word... finally, he looked around and said, "Guys? what the hell? where's Eel?" We told him not to worry about it or even mention it again, that we left him at a rest station because he was being an asshole. P was getting all fired up and yelling at us to turn around and pick him up, that we couldn't just strand him on the side of the road in upstate New York and so on. To quell his concerns we told P that Eel got a ride with some Rainbow people, but he continued to freak about it for... too long. I think we had him going for an hour, eveyone played along perfectly. I guess you had to be there to appreciate that part of the story, but that's all part of the mosaic that made up that weekend.

I had no intention of writing this much... I recently found out at an inservice day at school that by writing about positive experiences you experience those emotions again; your brain can't tell the difference between the emotional response from the experience itself and the vividly recalled memory of that experience. So thanks, Clifford Ball, from a Sunday morning in 2012.

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spacecoyote Permalink
spacecoyote In the summer of 1996 I traded my '84 Toyota Pick-up to my neighbors for their '77 Volkswagen Campmobile and took it on, and off of, summer tour. Just me, and two friends, both of whom happened to be recent ex's and good friends...

::how it begins::
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IntoYesterday Permalink
I had a ticket offered to me for this festival. 5 of my friends were going and I was going to be the 6th, and when everything was packed they realized there wouldn't be room for me. I'd drawn the short straw by getting in last on the plan.

At this point I'd seen 3 shows, and looking back on it it ended up that 1996 was the only year I didn't see Phish since first seeing them in 1994.

This is my most heart-breaking "should have/could seen show."

Cypress ended up being my first festival, which was TERRIBLE because everyone knows how horrible Cypress was and we all hated it equally with a firey passion.
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @IntoYesterday said:
I had a ticket offered to me for this festival. 5 of my friends were going and I was going to be the 6th, and when everything was packed they realized there wouldn't be room for me. I'd drawn the short straw by getting in last on the plan.

At this point I'd seen 3 shows, and looking back on it it ended up that 1996 was the only year I didn't see Phish since first seeing them in 1994.

This is my most heart-breaking "should have/could seen show."

Cypress ended up being my first festival, which was TERRIBLE because everyone knows how horrible Cypress was and we all hated it equally with a firey passion.
Why was Cypress bad? Heat? They played all night right? Is that where Trey is like, "hey you want to sit down? I never played to a seated Phish crowd" etc?
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @spacecoyote said:
In the summer of 1996 I traded my '84 Toyota Pick-up to my neighbors for their '77 Volkswagen Campmobile and took it on, and off of, summer tour. Just me, and two friends, both of whom happened to be recent ex's and good friends...

::how it begins::
I now have a man crush on you bro. Dead serious. That is f***ing awesome, love it, only an awesome person would do such a thing. +5
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crickjaw Permalink
I had already "gotten" Phish and was well on board when I went to the Ball, but the whole thing just kicked it up another level.

I was in a group of 5, and we had spent a few days prior in Toronto. It was the summer after I had graduated college, so I was 23 (I think). Toronto was pretty cool. One funny incident that put our youth and naivety on display was that we were having lunch at this cafe in the downtown area, and we were asking the waiter about what bar to go to that night. He recommended this one place, saying "you can sit outside and smoke weed and no one will care". So, being young and dumb, we never even gave it a second thought. We went to the bar, sat outside and sparked right up. It only took about 5 seconds for the waitress to come over totally pissed and say "Put it out, guys!"

While we were in Toronto, we went to the alcohol store and picked up a bunch of Molsen XXX. At the time, I don't think it could be bought in NC, so we had never heard of it and were mesmerized by the 7.5% alcohol content haha. So, we brought out booty back across the border and into the Ball. After we got settled in, we cracked some open and were disappointed to find that it tasted like malt liquor, so we promptly sold it all.

Anyway, I don't remember how bad the traffic was entering the AF base. I know it took awhile, but I remember the Went being much worse. I did not go to Coventry, so I will stop with the traffic complaints. :-) I do remember that the anticipation was just unreal and we were all having a blast waiting in the traffic line.

Once we got in, we grabbed a pretty good camping spot. There was a rope barrier that was at least a couple of football fields away from the stage that campers were not permitted to cross until showtimes, and there was a walkway along the barrier where a lot of foot traffic took place, and we were camped right up against it, so we were kind of in the thick of things (and it made selling that Molsen crap easy as hell).

So, the first night we were hanging out and Phish cranked up their soundcheck. The whole area went nuts and people started lining up at the rope barrier and enjoying the jam. I had been to 4 shows prior to the Ball, and I remembered thinking "wow, their sound is so large right now". It was obvious that their sound system was beefed way up this event.

So, the first set of the first day was a good warmup, lots of raging, but nothing much out of the box. The Bag and Gin were my first so that was nice. Things really took off in the second set though. It was after dark and my mind and body were primed. The Melt opener, which I still think is favorite version, was such an adventure. The sound system was just thundering, and the tension and release was great. The mini acoustic set was cool, but I wasn't that into it. On the back end, I got my first live Mike's Groove, and they totally ripped it. The third set had some nice jams too, including the first Disease I had seen where they extended it out, and my first 2001.

I am sorry to say that I missed the Flatbed Truck jam because I passed out in the tent too early. Shame on me!

The Day 2 party started early, as Phish first set was at noon. I had not heard Old Home Place, PYITE or Lizards prior to that set, so that was awesome, as was the Maze that they dropped on us. I do remember hanging out for a while on the grounds and listening to the orchestra, but I don't think we stayed for the whole thing.

Sets 2 and 3 were the ultimate wet dream for a guy like me, who had seen a few shows, but had still not yet seen some of their "big" songs at the time. It was crowd-pleaser central. Runaway Jim, Fluffhead, Antelope, Slave, Tweezer, Scent, etc. I wasn't even disappointed that they didn't do YEM, even though with 6 sets, it seemed like a given. Brother was a great surprise, especially with Ben and Jerry coming out. I was the only guy in my group that new that song <<swells with pride> > .

All in all, I still rank the Clifford Ball as my best concert experience, all things considered. Musically, I don't was as good as the Went, but the overal experience was just better for me, personally.

The only negatives from the weekend:

- I was not used to going three straight days wothout showering, so that was a new experience.
- The port-o-potties (doesn't realy have to be said)
- Ice vendors ripping people off. Ice was in high demand, of course. I had bought it for 10 bucks the first day, which was high, but acceptable, given the circumstances. The third day, we needed more, so I got in line and they ran out when I was close to the front. So, I stood there for about an hour waiting for an other truck to arrive. When they finally got more, the assholes had jacked the price up to $15. I paid $15 for a back of ice that would've been $3 in the grocery store. Ugh.

On the way home, about a half hour outside of Plattsburg, we were wanting lunch, but the road we were on did not offer much. We did find a local diner so we stopped. The place was totally overwhelmed. There was a huge crowd of concert-goers and their staff was totally unprepared. However, it put on display the good side of the Phish community. Everyone was patient and no one was grumpy about the long waits. There were a few customers that actually volunteered and helped the staff deliver the food.

Anyway, that is some highlights from my weekend. It was long time ago, I wish I could remember more right now. :-)
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @sirhotpants,

"I had no intention of writing this much... I recently found out at an inservice day at school that by writing about positive experiences you experience those emotions again; your brain can't tell the difference between the emotional response from the experience itself and the vividly recalled memory of that experience. So thanks, Clifford Ball, from a Sunday morning in 2012."

Thank you. It gets my brain sparking reading about it, random note it was the biggest concept of the year raking in +$4m but more than $4m was spent to put it on. What a band.

Again thank you for sharing
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chrism27 Permalink
I went to the Clifford Ball but only day 2. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I both couldn't get out of work on the Friday. Bummer, I know, but we were packed and ready to go and left immediately for Syracuse after work where we stayed with a buddy. He also couldn't get out of work. We were starting to be responsible at that point in time. Anyway, we get up at the crack of down and are on the road to Plattsburgh by 5 am. One memory stands out is that we stopped for gas and beer for the road at 6 am and we were told New York State doesn't let you buy alcohol until 8! Bummer. So, after attempting to haggle with no success we went on our way until 8 am sharp and stopped to get beer. With beer in the car we were finally set and got to the gate around 9:30. We were going to try to meet up with our crew of about 15 people who were already there. We roll thhrough the gate in no time at all and then for as far as the eye could see there were cars and tents and thousands of people. Hardly anyone stirring yet. This was before cell phones so are plan to meet up looked in jeapardy. Now, my brother in law had a red toyota pick up with a cab on the back. We were driving slow up the main drag eyes peeled on the parking lot and within 5 minutes my wife spots the truck. We pull in and they saved a freakin' parking space right next to them. Truly unbelievable good fortune. That kicked started the day, we roused everybody and kicked it up a notch and had an incredible day and night. Really an awesome experience. We brought a tent and stuff but we were on the tarmac and also were just ready to rage so we never set it up. We slept in the car and my buddy slept on the Tarmac under the stars. Woke up next morning at sunrise and I woke him up and said "let's get out of here" We were on the highway in 5 minutes. We went to the Ball and didn't encounter any traffic whatsoever.

I know that's a long story that doesn't talk about the music at all. But that was truly a great experience where all the cards fell in to place just because of karma. I also second the disgusting state of the porto johns.

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Issiah Permalink
Issiah Things had grown to a new level. It was huge... Camping on site provided a new level of freedom for many...

There was zillions of grass hoppers when we arrived and set up our tents. It was nutz... they were everywhere. There was kids from all over... HUGE SHAKEDOWN Great drum circles. Porta potties did get way out of hand... Can remember just drifting around and running into people and situations, so colorful.... They had these little villages set up inside the stage area. People were goofin around in em' havin a great time. There was alot of positive energy if you tuned into it. Drifting into the huge stage area,,, just decided to sit down. Ended up tokin with this cat and come to find out he was from London England. We got talkin about what was goin on and next thing yah know he was sharin some Tabs. Soon after the "flight in the light" took place. That was the theme... Came across a group of free spirit and just let go of identification with form. We danced that deep deep dance. There was a classical music act before Phish came out. It was very peaceful... Last night of the shows there was awesome fireworks and a hot chic twirlin around hanging down from a rope...
It really was incredible,, things had gone to a new level
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Issiah Permalink
Issiah @crickjaw

"I am sorry to say that I missed the Flatbed Truck jam because I passed out in the tent too early. Shame on me!"

LOL...You weren't alone.... ;)

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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @Issiah said:
@crickjaw

"I am sorry to say that I missed the Flatbed Truck jam because I passed out in the tent too early. Shame on me!"

LOL...You weren't alone.... ;)
Ha ha do you guys know of anyone who heard it? I understand there was talk of putting together a tape of the Jam from mics on bikes.

Side note: when I read a book, I am transferred into the book; when I read your stories the same thing happens, I don't question the path I've taken but sure would of liked to make that show. Although I didn't "know" Phish.

Thank you to people contributing and sharing stories, really great

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OliveLoaf Permalink
OliveLoaf @careful_w_that_axe_Miller said:
@IntoYesterday said:
I had a ticket offered to me for this festival. 5 of my friends were going and I was going to be the 6th, and when everything was packed they realized there wouldn't be room for me. I'd drawn the short straw by getting in last on the plan.

At this point I'd seen 3 shows, and looking back on it it ended up that 1996 was the only year I didn't see Phish since first seeing them in 1994.

This is my most heart-breaking "should have/could seen show."

Cypress ended up being my first festival, which was TERRIBLE because everyone knows how horrible Cypress was and we all hated it equally with a firey passion.
Why was Cypress bad? Heat? They played all night right? Is that where Trey is like, "hey you want to sit down? I never played to a seated Phish crowd" etc?
I think he was just being sarcastic on account of how notably awesome Big Cypress was. And I'm pretty sure the show you're talking about with Trey asking everyone to sit down is the acoustic day set from Festival 8, worth a listen if you haven't heard it.
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spacecoyote Permalink
spacecoyote ...

On our way west the fuel pump, which in my bus I believe was the first ever model to have a fuel pump, began giving us problems. By the time we got to Silvertown CO we had to push the vehicle up to inhuman speeds just to pop-start the engine with the clutch. The last 160 miles to Boulder, where we would be housed for our stay in the Rockies, were traversed in a tow truck. Thankfully we were headed to the VW Bus Capital of The World. Also, Needle Park. I tipped the tow truck driver with the only thing we had to give, some Case's Pork Roll from an ice-filled cooler. We then waited in the parking lot of the garage where the bus had been left for the sun to come up and our friends to come get us. It was the day before the first show in Morrison...

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SicMD Permalink
SicMD beyond epic
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @spacecoyote, love reading individual accounts I'd be pretty stoked if someone tipped me from the heart with the only thing they had, pork rolls
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spacecoyote Permalink
spacecoyote ...after four stellar shows at Red Rocks, a rebuilt fuel pump, new friends made, a Bristlecone Pine bowl found, a soapstone bowl lost, and a van full of Fat Tire and Sunshine Wheat, we headed not to the next show at Alpine Valley but to an undisclosed location to pick up some ganja.

Alas, signals were crossed. When I spoke to my friend on the phone, before leaving Boulder, I had asked him, "Hey, man, are things, ya know, 'cool'? We wanted to come up and check 'some stuff' out." Unfortunately, he thought I had said, "Hey man, are things cool? We wanted to come up and check stuff out."

Feeling bad about the miscommunication, my buddy tore off some still-growing and threw it in a brown paper bag for us, a very kind gesture. We thanked him for his hospitality, and after a couple days in isolation in the middle of nowhere, we threw the bag on the dash, turned on the defroster, and started making our way to Hershey...
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spacecoyote Permalink
spacecoyote ...I forgot to mention that while in Boulder we picked up another rider, one of my best buds in the whole wide world and the person that would, sixteen years later, be my Best Man...and so, the sexual tension between the two lovely ladies that I shared relations with in the past, and close quarters with in the present, was sufficiently diffused...

::carry on::
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @spacecoyote, ha ha the Un cured wet loving, very familiar with using the defroster. Did one of those two young women you were travelling with become your wife?
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spacecoyote Permalink
spacecoyote N'ope. But our carnal knowledge of each other was wholesome and lawful.

My wife I picked up in a bar that I used to work at in Brooklyn. She said she drank Yuengling, I lied and said that was cool. Now she drinks witbier, lambic, and American Pale Ale.
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careful_w_that_axe_Miller Permalink
careful_w_that_axe_Miller @spacecoyote said:
N'ope. But our carnal knowledge of each other was wholesome and lawful.

My wife I picked up in a bar that I used to work at in Brooklyn. She said she drank Yuengling, I lied and said that was cool. Now she drinks witbier, lambic, and American Pale Ale.
Wait so you got 2 chicks to drive around with you and see Phish? Ha how'd ya manage that? Obviously an Un-creepy fella huh?
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spacecoyote Permalink
spacecoyote Creepy? Nah man, that ain't me. I'm a bear, like'a boss.

Husky dudes with beards are hot, thanx to me and Zach G.
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joyjoy Permalink
Just played the first disc of this from Netflix last night, thanks to this thread. WOO FREAKIN HOO, it's awesome! Thanks OP et al. :)
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chaizul Permalink
Outside of my wedding and the birth of my kids, it was probably the best (or top 5) weekends of my life. And to this day, I say 2nd set of 8/17 is the best set of phish I've ever seen or heard
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