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Has anybody scored tickets for face since the on sale? I've been all over cash or trade and different forums, been asking friends to ask their friends who ask THEIR friends. So far all I've seen are people looking. This is my first time even attempting to do phish nye so I'm unfamiliar with how hard it is to get tickets. Does it get easier? I have two for the 29 ( got them when they went on sale ) and my hotel for 29th through 1/1, but I'm worried about the 30th and nye tickets. I don't want to feed the scalpers but I'm beginning to think that's the only way I'll get into the shows! Will there most likely be another re release? Do scalpers prices go down? Do more tickets end up going for face? Im a phish nye noob so if anyone can give me some advice that'd be great. How did people figure it out in years past when tickets were so difficult?
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its gonna be hard to find a ticket for face but i did it last year on cash or trade but it was last minute. I didnt have a nye ticket until the morning of and met the guy about 4 hours later. keep looking it may happen but i would suggest if you find something that is reasonably priced above face to maybe grab it.
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get in line early day of shows to score tickets, if you dont get in like that then buy outside venue from a phan or after show starts from scalper for under face.Have them walk to the scanner with you to prove validity of tickets....
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What do you need? You just need 30th and 31st?
Once PTBMS are shipped out there is a ton of action at cashortrade, PT, even here. It's close to the shows and people want to finalize trades or get rid of extras.
There will be lots of tickets, but more people that want to go than extra tickets. Gotta work hard and have some luck.
What do you need? You just need 30th and 31st?
Once PTBMS are shipped out there is a ton of action at cashortrade, PT, even here. It's close to the shows and people want to finalize trades or get rid of extras.
There will be lots of tickets, but more people that want to go than extra tickets. Gotta work hard and have some luck.
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watch for scalpers outside msg. they are vicious. otherwise, sporadically hit ticket master's site, cash or trade, or prepare to pony up the dough.
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A comment by me_no_are_no_nice_guy was voted down. Show anyway
lol. Give up man. This just isn't your year. Maybe next time.
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A comment by SicMD was voted down. Show anyway
why would anyone sell tickets right now for face value? they are worth so much more than face value.....put your money where your ears want to be......
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@SicMD said:
The tickets are worth face and fees. That is all.
Desperate fans and people with your attitude are what create a scalper market and jacked up prices, but that's not what the tickekts are worth. That's the price suckers pay.
why would anyone sell tickets right now for face value? they are worth so much more than face value.....put your money where your ears want to be......Because it's the right way to buy and sell tickets and they aren't huge greedy douches?
The tickets are worth face and fees. That is all.
Desperate fans and people with your attitude are what create a scalper market and jacked up prices, but that's not what the tickekts are worth. That's the price suckers pay.
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There was a re-release a couple of weeks ago. Keep hitting the TM site. There are also good fans out there who will sell tix for face. It happens.
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Not trying to sound negative but if you can't pay over face at this point you probably won't make it in the building.some people get lucky.good luck
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You'd all be amazed how many fans are hoarding tickets. There will be thousands more extras for every night on cashortrade, phish forums, and at the venue. There will also be at least one more re-release, probably on the 2nd tuesday of this month around 6 pm, and then there will be some that trickle out at the venue.
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@IntoYesterday said: You'd all be amazed how many fans are hoarding tickets. There will be thousands more extras for every night on cashortrade, phish forums, and at the venue. There will also be at least one more re-release, probably on the 2nd tuesday of this month around 6 pm, and then there will be some that trickle out at the venue.Agreed, plenty of people are holding their tickets right now because they want to find out what they are doing with them. I find that it is a real problem that people buy 2 or more tickets than they really need, while there are people who are getting shut out.
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It sucks to have to stress day-of over tix and of course everyone wants to have their stuff on lock for the journey to NYC but a lot of times day-of sales are where the magic can happen. Cash or Trade will have extras when PTBMs ship. Maybe consider offering up some hotel space to someone with an extra...sort of like couch surfing but with Phish tickets. Its also good to have something to trade...other tickets, substances, hotel space, art, etc...get in the poster line on the 28th and if its a worthwhile poster that people really dig, you can maybe trade the poster for a ticket one night. NYE is obv gonna be the toughest but best of luck...
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@JordanThePhisherman said:
Said it before, I say it here again: fans are the scalpers and hoarders. It is the fault of fans.
@IntoYesterday said:It's too bad for sure. It's one thing to order a couple each night expecting to bring a friend but they can't go, so you have an extra. It's another to place 100 orders for 4 tickets each and have 16 extras, and hang on to them hoping for hetty trades or GA West floors for NYE.You'd all be amazed how many fans are hoarding tickets. There will be thousands more extras for every night on cashortrade, phish forums, and at the venue. There will also be at least one more re-release, probably on the 2nd tuesday of this month around 6 pm, and then there will be some that trickle out at the venue.Agreed, plenty of people are holding their tickets right now because they want to find out what they are doing with them. I find that it is a real problem that people buy 2 or more tickets than they really need, while there are people who are getting shut out.
Said it before, I say it here again: fans are the scalpers and hoarders. It is the fault of fans.
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Hey if you are a cop you have to tell us.
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Last year was my first time and I was able to score 2 tix for the 29th off PT for 2 friends1 person I was with waited hoping prices would go down day of online and ended up paying over $300 for 200 level
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Stay patient - there will definitely be at least one if not two other re-releases and like everyone else is saying, fans start to unload their tickets when it gets closer to the date.While these boards are very split on this, its worth mentioning that stubhub prices will go down as well if that's what you end up resorting to. For me, obviously I have my price but I don't think an experience is easy to put a price-tag on. Some people don't think Phish NYE is worth $200. Some people do. I paid over face my first time and I don't regret it one bit but its also worth mentioning that after that first time, I haven't done it since because I've been able to get them for face. It takes work and patience but getting tickets for face is very doable. You live and learn.
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don't worry. if you don't get phish tickets, you can go to the disco biscuits. there you go. feel better now?
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I'm definitely going to wait another week or two. Someone mentioned the second Tuesday of this month at 6pm for a possible re release. Is there a good chance of that? How do people get wind of one before it happens? Or do they?
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Take notice how he never says he isn't a cop. Be careful netters!
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@seanpatrick said:
I'm definitely going to wait another week or two. Someone mentioned the second Tuesday of this month at 6pm for a possible re release. Is there a good chance of that? How do people get wind of one before it happens? Or do they?Last few years they've had a re-release on that day. I guarantee nothing for this year. There will likely be another one, but that would just be my first guess as to when. It could very well happen 2 weeks into the month.
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But tickets are worth more than face value and fees and its america and we have a free market. You may not like it, but its just how it is. Ask yourself this, why would anyone sell you anything less than what its worth? demand sets prices after the release. sure you may find a ticket for the 29th 30th or the 28th but you would have to be crazy to let a new years ticket go for less than 300.....
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There will be another re-release the day of the show, it happens very fast so you need to be on top of it. Goodluck.
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@SicMD said:
You wouldn't have to be crazy, you'd have to have "morals" to sell a ticket for face. I got very lucky with SanFran this summer and hit 4 pair for 3 nights. Ended up I couldn't go, and I sold each ticket for face, some of them minus the fees. I could have sold them for much more. Same thing with my extras for this run.
You sound a bit like a sociopath justifying your scalping the way you did. Someone would have to be crazy to sell for face? Wow, heartless. Heartless scalper you are.
But tickets are worth more than face value and fees and its america and we have a free market. You may not like it, but its just how it is. Ask yourself this, why would anyone sell you anything less than what its worth? demand sets prices after the release. sure you may find a ticket for the 29th 30th or the 28th but you would have to be crazy to let a new years ticket go for less than 300.....Tickets are worth face value. A small percentage of people choose to pay over face because another group of people takes advantage of their desire and desperation, and profits.
You wouldn't have to be crazy, you'd have to have "morals" to sell a ticket for face. I got very lucky with SanFran this summer and hit 4 pair for 3 nights. Ended up I couldn't go, and I sold each ticket for face, some of them minus the fees. I could have sold them for much more. Same thing with my extras for this run.
You sound a bit like a sociopath justifying your scalping the way you did. Someone would have to be crazy to sell for face? Wow, heartless. Heartless scalper you are.
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Listen4mysiren. No I'm not a cop, and frankly I don't care much for them. Unless they're doing good things, like construction detail, or setting up speed traps. Thanks for all the info guys. I have to agree with phrisky about scalping. I think it sucks that it's such a factor in the phish community. I understand why people that aren't a part of the community are willing to take advantage though. Unfortunately there's a good chance I'll be supporting those guys this year. I know it'll be worth it in the end.
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Imagine if phish came up with a way to end scalping their tickets all together? I can't think of how they'd do it, but that would really be amazing.
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How do I know the real @seanpatrick wrote that?and speed traps? That sounds exactly like something a cop would like.
Good luck to you officer. Perhaps there is lower hanging fruit on PT.
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Last year there were two or three rereleases I believe. You can also spend your entire day standing in line at the box office trying to get a ticket day of. I'd try to be first in line otherwise I wouldn't bother.Stubhub and scalper prices are going up in price. Maybe some will drop day of show. I wouldn't waste my money on a scalper outside MSG, likely they are fake tickets. At least with stubhub you have a guarantee.
I doubt there are thousands of extra tickets being hoarded, maybe a few hundred. Check cashortrade as often as possible. If you have a smart phone even better.
I personally wouldn't spend the money to go to NYC without a ticket in hand.
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Ya that's me @DrGordy, I made a decision to miss Dicks to see NYE, I had a certain amount of frequent flyer miles, after I got the plane ticket; I wasn't going to NYC without going to the show. The way I see it, whoever made $275 off me, needs the $$$. Supply & demand etc etcIf I knew what it was gonna cost I would a hit all 3 @dicks but everything happens for a reason, no regrets
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We are set for our tix but we scored 2 12/30s for our friends on the rerelease.
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That NYE show is worth more then $70. A fact is a fact. Face is nice, but face is BS. There is no other place I would rather be on NYE then in MSG and to me, its worth a lot more then $70. Would I sit home and not but a ticket for $75, Hell No, Of course there is a breaking point (I wouldn't pay $1,000 either), but its worth a lot more then face. Anyone who has gone and thinks the show is truly worth $70 is nuts.
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How is flipping anything for a profit moraly wrong in a free market society? Im not a scalper i just dont see the difference. tickets are not worth face value. tickets are worth what someone is willing to pay. just because you took a loss does not mean I or anyone has too and is not the point.
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I hit the rere a couple weeks ago for NYE. There might be another one sometime before the show, no one really knows. Missed em all last year so don't feel bad.
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question...when are PTBM expected to arrive?
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all this chatter about "free market society." We do not live with free markets. Most all markets in this country are regulated in some way or another and to varying degrees of regulation. The ticket market is not regulated well because of the megalodon sales companies like TM and all their subsurface links and funnels to StubHub and other related brokering sites. The government has tried to regulate TM via lawsuits brought. Some have been more successful than others. Not saying this would, could, or should happen, but until Phish implements a voucher system for big events like NYE where scalping is rampant, the scalpage will continue like this is f*in Last of the Momos and Magua is coming for your ass. Not saying its right or just but thats how it goes. Also, I feel like this time of year (Christmas season) people personally validate scalping by saying its going to their Christmas fund or travel fund. Again, not sayin any of this is OK, but just the way it goes. If you keep your chin up and scour sites daily, you will end up with tix. Persistence definitely pays off for Ph NYE.
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Yes. The free market argument is vapid in this instance, and using it sort of demonstrates a personal lack of depth in economic theory. I will crash the "scalping is what makes our economy good argument in a second", but first let's all take a minute to remember that PTBM are specifically prohibited from being scalped. As for the virtues of a free market, the purpose of a free market is to foster competition and efficiency. Buying tickets for the express purpose of flipping them is actually quite inefficient in terms of the overall economy. It's more of capitalistic slight-of-hand than it is an expression of a free market.
Just think, someone wanted those tickets for face when they went on sale. There is no sense in rewarding a scalper for snatching them up before everyone else. That's economic obstruction, not production. Scalpers = economic freeloaders. In my best cranky old man voice, "Get a real job if you need the extra two hundred dollars you're trying to make off some NYE phan."
Just think, someone wanted those tickets for face when they went on sale. There is no sense in rewarding a scalper for snatching them up before everyone else. That's economic obstruction, not production. Scalpers = economic freeloaders. In my best cranky old man voice, "Get a real job if you need the extra two hundred dollars you're trying to make off some NYE phan."
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Back to the original question: Yes. Tickets will be available all the way to NYE for face. People end up bailing on friends, work obligations happen, beautiful women go into labor, etc., etc.
I've had/seen plenty of MSG NYE face value scores even up to right before the show starts. (Be careful, there are forged tickets out there as well. Only buy from phans, and stick to PTBM if you can.)
Keep you feelers out, your positivity riding, and don't freak out if things aren't turning up roses.
I've had/seen plenty of MSG NYE face value scores even up to right before the show starts. (Be careful, there are forged tickets out there as well. Only buy from phans, and stick to PTBM if you can.)
Keep you feelers out, your positivity riding, and don't freak out if things aren't turning up roses.
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The "free market" excuse smells worse than farm fresh with manure, on high noon in July. The US hasn't been a free market economy in a lonnnng time. Once again, i will state the statement i always post in scalping related threads. I personally have no issue with it, but i do feel it is morally bankrupt. Feel free to sell your tickets to suckers who are willing to pay exorbitant amounts. But, i do think that there should be more investigation into companies that scalp or that facilitate scalping. Lots of scalpers use underhanded tactics to get their tickets, and if you are cheating the system you should be punished thoroughly.
But, back on track. good luck to the OP. there will be chances for more face tickets, but it wont be easy.
But, back on track. good luck to the OP. there will be chances for more face tickets, but it wont be easy.
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@GeoudaDiSaze said: Yes. The free market argument is vapid in this instance, and using it sort of demonstrates a personal lack of depth in economic theory. I will crash the "scalping is what makes our economy good argument in a second", but first let's all take a minute to remember that PTBM are specifically prohibited from being scalped. As for the virtues of a free market, the purpose of a free market is to foster competition and efficiency. Buying tickets for the express purpose of flipping them is actually quite inefficient in terms of the overall economy. It's more of capitalistic slight-of-hand than it is an expression of a free market.While this is this right, it is also by no means exclusive to Phish NYE tickets. Its the same for any in demand concert, videogame systems like the Wii, and collectors items of all sorts. Lawmakers have more important things to worry about than the concert ticket market. Not that they spend their time well anyways.
Just think, someone wanted those tickets for face when they went on sale. There is no sense in rewarding a scalper for snatching them up before everyone else. That's economic obstruction, not production. Scalpers = economic freeloaders. In my best cranky old man voice, "Get a real job if you need the extra two hundred dollars you're trying to make off some NYE phan."
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@Thisisnotafish said: The "free market" excuse smells worse than farm fresh with manure, on high noon in July. The US hasn't been a free market economy in a lonnnng time. Once again, i will state the statement i always post in scalping related threads. I personally have no issue with it, but i do feel it is morally bankrupt. Feel free to sell your tickets to suckers who are willing to pay exorbitant amounts. But, i do think that there should be more investigation into companies that scalp or that facilitate scalping. Lots of scalpers use underhanded tactics to get their tickets, and if you are cheating the system you should be punished thoroughly....free market economy exists on the Black Market. Example: when I was a kid an eighth of headies cost $50 and an oz of gold $400, now headies are still $50 and Gold is like $15-1600, even though $50 buys a lot less these days than 15 years ago due to inflation. The black market is the only free market left in existence.
But, back on track. good luck to the OP. there will be chances for more face tickets, but it wont be easy.
Just busting chops bro, but I got to ask how you could have "no problem" with "morally bankrupt" behavior, again just joshing ya but I'd be interested in clarity. I don't view it as "morally bankrupt" I view it as capitalism at its finest, motivation and investment. How else do you keep the curious bieber fans away?
If OP is supposed to be at the show, destiny will bring him/her there
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@seanpatrick said: Imagine if phish came up with a way to end scalping their tickets all together? I can't think of how they'd do it, but that would really be amazing.You'd still be crying when you didn't get tickets though. And then you wouldn't have a way to get tickets.
You support scalpers, so why would you want Phish to end scalping?
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For like the 12th time, on this forum at least, scalping has nothing to do with capitalism. If you want to call it capitalism, there's gotta be some sort of addition or creation of value.Scalping is more like gouging, rackateering, ransom, or extortion.
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@careful_w_that_axe_Miller said:
@Thisisnotafish said:Its only Capitalism at its finest if you consider a doctor walking around town breaking people's kneecaps to get more business a fine example of Capitalism. Capitalism is about encouraging growth in the economy through making companies come up with new ideas and better ways of business. Not by hacking and using bot networks and captcha cheating programs to give yourself an advantage. Once again, no problem with scalping, but major problems with cheating the system.The "free market" excuse smells worse than farm fresh with manure, on high noon in July. The US hasn't been a free market economy in a lonnnng time. Once again, i will state the statement i always post in scalping related threads. I personally have no issue with it, but i do feel it is morally bankrupt. Feel free to sell your tickets to suckers who are willing to pay exorbitant amounts. But, i do think that there should be more investigation into companies that scalp or that facilitate scalping. Lots of scalpers use underhanded tactics to get their tickets, and if you are cheating the system you should be punished thoroughly....free market economy exists on the Black Market. Example: when I was a kid an eighth of headies cost $50 and an oz of gold $400, now headies are still $50 and Gold is like $15-1600, even though $50 buys a lot less these days than 15 years ago due to inflation. The black market is the only free market left in existence.
But, back on track. good luck to the OP. there will be chances for more face tickets, but it wont be easy.
Just busting chops bro, but I got to ask how you could have "no problem" with "morally bankrupt" behavior, again just joshing ya but I'd be interested in clarity. I don't view it as "morally bankrupt" I view it as capitalism at its finest, motivation and investment. How else do you keep the curious bieber fans away?
If OP is supposed to be at the show, destiny will bring him/her there
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@johnnyd said:
For like the 12th time, on this forum at least, scalping has nothing to do with capitalism. If you want to call it capitalism, there's gotta be some sort of addition or creation of value.It happens constantly, everywhere i come across the discussion, i posted a blog post about it on a video game forum and everyone called me a "butthurt hippy" and told me to move somewhere else if i didnt like the "free economy". People these days.
Scalping is more like gouging, rackateering, ransom, or extortion.
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cap·i·tal·ism /ˈkapətlˌizəm/
Noun
An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.
In the country of Phish, scalping is capitalism.
