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How come I always see scalpers with dozens of tickets for these shows at MSG yet real fans never end up getting tickets nearly as efficiently?I was on craigslist harassing scalpers and this one guy said: " have fun freezin your ass off outside msg while wanting to hear a bunch of petifile weirdos play garbage"
Why does that fool get tickets yet I have been shut out by Phish on NYE all nights available for four straight years?
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dont hate the player hate the game. These tickets shouldnt even be available to all these scalpers yet they are and fans continue to get shut out every year.
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@WookiePhart said: dont hate the player hate the game. These tickets shouldnt even be available to all these scalpers yet they are and fans continue to get shut out every year.what if there was a very short quiz to take before ordering PTBM. Questions only true phans would know. Maybe it would cut down the scalping by just a bit.
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sucks to get shut out dude hope you can get tickets. I think in this case it's a lot to do with the venue and the date. A lot of scalpers in NY are going to try and get tickets for whomever plays MSG on NYE. and it sucks, sometimes scalpers get the bigger name phish shows i agree with you there for sure.
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@dkast85 said:
My suggestion has always, and always will be this: make a f***ing fan club! Its not that hard, a lot of bands have figured it out, make a fan club and it cuts back on scalper worries for your fans. Even Rush does it, they sell exclusive tickets to their fan club. If Phish started a fan club, you could make the lottery a fan-club exclusive lottery. Get some exclusive shirt, hat, pin, some swag, a signed poster, and a monthly fanclub mailing list. Hell, if they started a fanclub they could practically just go back to making them REAL mail order sales.
@WookiePhart said:I've proposed this to my friends, its a solid idea, it would at least cut back on it. But the problem is the quiz would have to be either SUPER easy(google-able, for the newer fans who dont know as much of the history) or extremely obscure(making it easy for old heads and people who know a lot of the history, but cuts out as many newer people as it does scalpers).dont hate the player hate the game. These tickets shouldnt even be available to all these scalpers yet they are and fans continue to get shut out every year.what if there was a very short quiz to take before ordering PTBM. Questions only true phans would know. Maybe it would cut down the scalping by just a bit.
My suggestion has always, and always will be this: make a f***ing fan club! Its not that hard, a lot of bands have figured it out, make a fan club and it cuts back on scalper worries for your fans. Even Rush does it, they sell exclusive tickets to their fan club. If Phish started a fan club, you could make the lottery a fan-club exclusive lottery. Get some exclusive shirt, hat, pin, some swag, a signed poster, and a monthly fanclub mailing list. Hell, if they started a fanclub they could practically just go back to making them REAL mail order sales.
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Yeah that would be an awesome way to do it
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@Thisisnotafish said: @dkast85 said:I have heard many Phish fans greatly oppose this idea. I personally think it is agreat idea. It doesn't stop scalping but it does something. And something is better than nothing. DMB invented the whole fan club thing in 1998 with the Warehouse. So I guess that is why Phish fans are so against it. Anything DMB is not cool with Phish fans haha@WookiePhart said:I've proposed this to my friends, its a solid idea, it would at least cut back on it. But the problem is the quiz would have to be either SUPER easy(google-able, for the newer fans who dont know as much of the history) or extremely obscure(making it easy for old heads and people who know a lot of the history, but cuts out as many newer people as it does scalpers).dont hate the player hate the game. These tickets shouldnt even be available to all these scalpers yet they are and fans continue to get shut out every year.what if there was a very short quiz to take before ordering PTBM. Questions only true phans would know. Maybe it would cut down the scalping by just a bit.
My suggestion has always, and always will be this: make a f***ing fan club! Its not that hard, a lot of bands have figured it out, make a fan club and it cuts back on scalper worries for your fans. Even Rush does it, they sell exclusive tickets to their fan club. If Phish started a fan club, you could make the lottery a fan-club exclusive lottery. Get some exclusive shirt, hat, pin, some swag, a signed poster, and a monthly fanclub mailing list. Hell, if they started a fanclub they could practically just go back to making them REAL mail order sales.
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The scalper quote made me lol.
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@poonutties said: The scalper quote made me lol.probably some thug NY kid who doesn't know sh*t because he was educated in the NY public school system lol.
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@dkast85 said:
@Thisisnotafish said:I dont understand why would would dislike that idea. Its just basically like going back to the days of the Doniac Schvice. I guess some people would be miffed about paying a monthly club fee. But if they made the perks good enough im sure it would be worth the fee. But in my mind 50 bucks yearly is more than enough to insure i get a fair shake in the PTBM. I think a new yearly t-shirt design, a new pin/badge every year, throw in 1 or 2 free show downloads a year(with perhaps a small phish store discount for being a member that applies to downloads and streams) and fans would be in. But i dont know if that is viable from a business perspective.@dkast85 said:I have heard many Phish fans greatly oppose this idea. I personally think it is agreat idea. It doesn't stop scalping but it does something. And something is better than nothing. DMB invented the whole fan club thing in 1998 with the Warehouse. So I guess that is why Phish fans are so against it. Anything DMB is not cool with Phish fans haha@WookiePhart said:I've proposed this to my friends, its a solid idea, it would at least cut back on it. But the problem is the quiz would have to be either SUPER easy(google-able, for the newer fans who dont know as much of the history) or extremely obscure(making it easy for old heads and people who know a lot of the history, but cuts out as many newer people as it does scalpers).dont hate the player hate the game. These tickets shouldnt even be available to all these scalpers yet they are and fans continue to get shut out every year.what if there was a very short quiz to take before ordering PTBM. Questions only true phans would know. Maybe it would cut down the scalping by just a bit.
My suggestion has always, and always will be this: make a f***ing fan club! Its not that hard, a lot of bands have figured it out, make a fan club and it cuts back on scalper worries for your fans. Even Rush does it, they sell exclusive tickets to their fan club. If Phish started a fan club, you could make the lottery a fan-club exclusive lottery. Get some exclusive shirt, hat, pin, some swag, a signed poster, and a monthly fanclub mailing list. Hell, if they started a fanclub they could practically just go back to making them REAL mail order sales.
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Real fan here. Had no problem getting more tickets than I needed. Could have had more too.
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@dkast85 said: DMB invented the whole fan club thing in 1998 with the Warehouse.What? DMB invented "the whole fan club thing"?
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said: Real fan here. Had no problem getting more tickets than I needed. Could have had more too.Well, aren't you precious? Why did you get more tickets than you needed? Should have left them for other real fans.
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@westbrook said: @me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:I got them for my friends, dummy. And they were trying to get tickets for me. And if we had extras after all that we found other friends who got shut out. It worked out real nicely, and everyone I know ended up with the tickets they needed.Real fan here. Had no problem getting more tickets than I needed. Could have had more too.Well, aren't you precious? Why did you get more tickets than you needed? Should have left them for other real fans.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said: @westbrook said:Oh I gotcha. I took what you said to mean that you just had a bunch of extras lying around. I'm happy for you and your friends. Unfortunately, I got shut out.@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:I got them for my friends, dummy. And they were trying to get tickets for me. And if we had extras after all that we found other friends who got shut out. It worked out real nicely, and everyone I know ended up with the tickets they needed.Real fan here. Had no problem getting more tickets than I needed. Could have had more too.Well, aren't you precious? Why did you get more tickets than you needed? Should have left them for other real fans.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said: Real fan here. Had no problem getting more tickets than I needed. Could have had more too.What did you pay for them? I could have had 100 if I had $25,000.
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@dkast85 said: @poonutties said:The irony is that this post makes you sound like the ignorant one.The scalper quote made me lol.probably some thug NY kid who doesn't know sh*t because he was educated in the NY public school system lol.
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@dkast85 is good at that.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said: @dkast85 said:well not DMB. musictodayDMB invented the whole fan club thing in 1998 with the Warehouse.What? DMB invented "the whole fan club thing"?
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This Thread is funny.
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Too bad live nation owns music today and ticketmaster and live nation are the same company. Ticketsnow is owned by ticketmaster, and stubhub is owned by eBay. It's all one in the same. They really have no reason to make any effort to stop scalping. In the end scalpers actually increase profit through fees collected when tickets are sold again.Scalpers get tickets through internal connections with people who work for the ticketing companies and by using computer bots that work faster than a human to get tickets for shows.
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put all tickets on ebay/ online auction and have the fans pay what they are worth.. if all the tickets are sold for their real value there would be no way scalpers could make money. but make sure on each 2 ticket auction that if some one bids in the last minute the alloted time frame the auction would add 5 minutes.. let the fans only pay what they think the tickets are worth. ive never seen a scalper in a show so only true fans ever get into phish shows....scalpers only buy tickets for face.. if the tickets are sold for their actual value in the begining no way for them to make money....HAHA...
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If got the question which band member is also known as cactus instead of that blurry friggin screen with words that make no sense I'd be much happier. It took me 3 tries to get it right when I going for MSG tickets. That wouldn't happen anymore.Scalpers would have to look up the answer, we'd be quickest. That's true authentication.
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Just jump em', one of them sold my 6'6 300 pound friend a fake last year, my buddy went outside found him, picked him up by the neck and got his money back as well as a real ticket, never seen a black man so scared
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@SicMD - Sure that makes sense, but what about the fact that, at some level, the band is making the decision to at least try a little to keep ticket prices affordable for a wide array of fans?If they wanted to, they could just do like almost every other major act and have a huge variety of price tiers, charging much more money for good and medium seats, still charging $60-70 for nosebleeds or $45 for lawns, and make a ton of money?
Have they just not considered that as an option? Has it never crossed their mind to do that, or RLM's? Or do they realize that is an option and choose not to do it, out of some old (outdated?) sense of trying to keep the shows accessible to a majority of their fanbase, as opposed to "Stones-ing out"?
All that said, I do think its an option worthy of discussion to try and estimate demand, and set aside a number of decent seats and auction them off as you suggest. Specifically to alleviate and absorb some of the scalping demand. People that are gonna pay $500 per ticket anyway can do so, and the money goes to the band, not some scumbag middle man that adds no value to the process.
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eliminate scalpers, make all new years tickets $400........
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@WookiePhart said: dont hate the player hate the game.Yeah, I still really f***ing hate the player, though.
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I always get a laugh (....or maybe angry) when a couple of local drug dealers make it every year to do what they do. Party, sling drugs and, well, party. Of course a 400$ tickets are nothing more than part of the experience to them.
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@SicMD said: eliminate scalpers, make all new years tickets $400........So you think there are 20,000 people out there willing to pay $400 for NYE?
Are you just trolling at this point, or actually that out of touch?
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@CannedWalrus said: @WookiePhart said:If the player didn't play, the game wouldn't exist.dont hate the player hate the game.Yeah, I still really f***ing hate the player, though.
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yep i do.. either pay up or dont go. 400 tickets out of the gate would curb scalping
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nye tickets are def worth more than the current ticket prices. supply and demand.. increase the price eliminate such huge demand. or have nye at giants stadium.......... increase supply.......
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only ways to prevent scalping....... or sell all tickets to phish nye and let all the scalpers buy them up and we all go to vegas and see widespread....thus sticking all the scalpers with our phish tix....they wont do that again...hehe
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@SicMD said: nye tickets are def worth more than the current ticket prices. supply and demand.. increase the price eliminate such huge demand. or have nye at giants stadium.......... increase supply.......That is what's f***ed. Phish is practically giving away one of the most valuable (in my eyes) deal during NYE (for entertainment) in NY. They could easily raise the prices, but they don't because they want to keep prices cheap...That's not what happens, and is f***ed, but of course will never change so what's the use in trying?
Unfortunately one must pick their battles. And in some cases the only way you're getting into Phish on NYE in NY is by losing this battle for the gain of seeing Phish.
Literally I may never see Phish on NYE without paying WAY over face. Should I lose out on this opportunity for the sake of 200-300$? At this point, f*** no.
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im not rich but i love phish nye, halloween, and have no problem paying what i need too to get in if i choose so.....sometimes you just want in. not a troll just a phan who has no problem what so ever with the current ticket issues surrounding NYE. if you dont have and cant pay what the current value is your not getting in and were not going to be buying you a beer inside....... .02
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@SicMD you're way better at phish than all of us.
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@dkast85 said: @WookiePhart said:maybe not a quiz, but rather the email you registered with your LivePhish account and base it almost off of seniority? In the sense that those who have downloaded shows, attended shows, "true phans," have a better chance of winning lotto in the first place rather than a scalper who gets lucky then takes advantage of it.dont hate the player hate the game. These tickets shouldnt even be available to all these scalpers yet they are and fans continue to get shut out every year.what if there was a very short quiz to take before ordering PTBM. Questions only true phans would know. Maybe it would cut down the scalping by just a bit.
The sense I have been getting from .net is that fans here will get more tickets just for the sake of helping out friends, not to scalp, so in a way the shows that you downloaded mean you got the barcode either by attending the show or traded by some other fair means.
Has this idea ever been proposed before? It's been running through my head. Does it make sense? Or does it also leave room for more error? Such as scalpers then getting tickets and immediately redeeming barcodes?
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@SicMD said: im not rich but i love phish nye, halloween, and have no problem paying what i need too to get in if i choose so.....sometimes you just want in. not a troll just a phan who has no problem what so ever with the current ticket issues surrounding NYE.OK then, fair enough.
Certainly makes it more interesting to have people on all sides of the issues.
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@SicMD In the last week you have gone from bragging about getting onto Phish's guestlist to see shows for free to arguing it is okay to pay $400 for a ticket.Are you off your meds?
Also, can I borrow some money?
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everyone on this site gets soo worked up over this topic. i like just pointing out its a simple concept...pay what the ticket is worth..... your in....cant afford it, your ears will suffer through the biscuits instead.... HAHA. that is a choice you and your wallet must choose..... but dont hate on the system the system works fine..... supply is cut short......ive seen many of summer tour shows where tickets are a dime adozen.... nye is worth $400 imo......it the best place to be..... best venue, best people, best state, home of the NY KNICKS, just down the street from the home of the YANKS, Best band, Best city... you get the point you want all the best but only willing to pay face? please save it....
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haha just cause i have connections for nye and does not change how i feel. your missing the point, but you do have great reading comprehension skillz....
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@Jimmymac03 said: @CannedWalrus said:@WookiePhart said:If the player didn't play, the game wouldn't exist.dont hate the player hate the game.Yeah, I still really f***ing hate the player, though.
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@dkast85 said: @me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:@dkast85 Phish has been doing mail order before anyone even had the internet@dkast85 said:well not DMB. musictodayDMB invented the whole fan club thing in 1998 with the Warehouse.What? DMB invented "the whole fan club thing"?
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if I had to get in id be willing to pay more than face. but i did not this year. i tried all the aveneues this year lottery online , onsale date, . i only use our connection when all else had failed. so yes i paid face but i still think my tickets are worth 400.
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@dkast85 said: @me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:You really don't know what you're talking about. Stop embarrassing yourself.@dkast85 said:well not DMB. musictodayDMB invented the whole fan club thing in 1998 with the Warehouse.What? DMB invented "the whole fan club thing"?
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@Beantown said: Just jump em', one of them sold my 6'6 300 pound friend a fake last year, my buddy went outside found him, picked him up by the neck and got his money back as well as a real ticket, never seen a black man so scaredholy s***....
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@Jimmymac03 said: @SicMD In the last week you have gone from bragging about getting onto Phish's guestlist to see shows for free to arguing it is okay to pay $400 for a ticket.The dude mentioned his "in" when it had no relevance to this thread. That's says it all. You know how many piss offs (meaning people the band doesn't care for) are back stage on the guest list.
Are you off your meds?
Also, can I borrow some money?
Of course i'm not speaking about anyone in particular, just something to ponder.
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