@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:

Come on man be realistic, the NFC North would tear us to pieces. Pit is banged up and on the decline. The Ravens have no consisitency, a joke of an offense and a D that will be toast next season when Ray and Ed retire. The Bengals are overrated and, a win over the Giants during a slump aside, can't run with top 10 teams and the Browns aren't worth a damn.

Well then, looks like you got it all figured out.

I've not been impressed with Chicago, Green Bay or Minn of late. Not one bit. Very beatable teams. Minns lost two in a row, Chicago just lost at home to Seattle and GB was slapped around by a Giants team that magically went from great (SF win) to shitty then great again (GB) with no in-between. Doesn't it make more sense to say that SF and GB just aren't that great then to explain it all as just the Giants are bipolar? That's just telling yourself what you believe is true, despite tons of evidence that says otherwise.

You've conveniently explain away AFC North victories against the Gmen by saying the Giants were slumping, I say you might want to look at what actually happened, the Giants we're exposed by good football teams and the mighty Packers and SF aren't all that. SF can't even get by the Rams. You're making excuses based on preconceived ideas. I'm looking at box scores.

This is the NFL son. Every victory is earned.

@walstib said:

Every victory is earned.

I cite the Jets beating Arizona 7-6 as evidence to the contrary.

@walstib said:

@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:

Come on man be realistic, the NFC North would tear us to pieces. Pit is banged up and on the decline. The Ravens have no consisitency, a joke of an offense and a D that will be toast next season when Ray and Ed retire. The Bengals are overrated and, a win over the Giants during a slump aside, can't run with top 10 teams and the Browns aren't worth a damn.

Well then, looks like you got it all figured out.

I've not been impressed with Chicago, Green Bay or Minn of late. Not one bit. Very beatable teams. Minns lost two in a row, Chicago just lost at home to Seattle and GB was slapped around by a Giants team that magically went from great (SF win) to shitty then great again (GB) with no in-between. Doesn't it make more sense to say that SF and GB just aren't that great then to explain it all as just the Giants are bipolar? That's just telling yourself what you believe is true, despite tons of evidence that says otherwise.

You've conveniently explain away AFC North victories against the Gmen by saying the Giants were slumping, I say you might want to look at what actually happened, the Giants we're exposed by good football teams and the mighty Packers and SF aren't all that. SF can't even get by the Rams. You're making excuses based on preconceived ideas. I'm looking at box scores.

This is the NFL son. Every victory is earned.

Honestly, this is one of worst years I can remember (other than when Seattle got in the playoffs at 7-9), you're right, most divisions have 2-3 shit teams in them.

I just don't think anyone in the north can run with Green Bay, Chicago, New England, Houston, or even the Giants when they're playing well... maybe SF too if they get their QB situation figured out.

@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:

@walstib said:

@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:

Come on man be realistic, the NFC North would tear us to pieces. Pit is banged up and on the decline. The Ravens have no consisitency, a joke of an offense and a D that will be toast next season when Ray and Ed retire. The Bengals are overrated and, a win over the Giants during a slump aside, can't run with top 10 teams and the Browns aren't worth a damn.

Well then, looks like you got it all figured out.

I've not been impressed with Chicago, Green Bay or Minn of late. Not one bit. Very beatable teams. Minns lost two in a row, Chicago just lost at home to Seattle and GB was slapped around by a Giants team that magically went from great (SF win) to shitty then great again (GB) with no in-between. Doesn't it make more sense to say that SF and GB just aren't that great then to explain it all as just the Giants are bipolar? That's just telling yourself what you believe is true, despite tons of evidence that says otherwise.

You've conveniently explain away AFC North victories against the Gmen by saying the Giants were slumping, I say you might want to look at what actually happened, the Giants we're exposed by good football teams and the mighty Packers and SF aren't all that. SF can't even get by the Rams. You're making excuses based on preconceived ideas. I'm looking at box scores.

This is the NFL son. Every victory is earned.

Honestly, this is one of worst years I can remember (other than when Seattle got in the playoffs at 7-9), you're right, most divisions have 2-3 shit teams in them.

I just don't think anyone in the north can run with Green Bay, Chicago, New England, Houston, or even the Giants when they're playing well... maybe SF too if they get their QB situation figured out.

Are we ready to stop using the NY Giants a barometer for the rest of the league? They flat out suck, which doesn't say much for GB or SF or the NFC as a whole.

Come on man be realistic, the NFC North would tear us to pieces. Pit is banged up and on the decline. The Ravens have no consisitency, a joke of an offense and a D that will be toast next season when Ray and Ed retire. The Bengals are overrated and, a win over the Giants during a slump aside, can't run with top 10 teams and the Browns aren't worth a damn.

AFC North is weaker than it usually is. Ravens used to be much better, still solid and Pitt same story.

Just because the Bengals can actually call themselves a football team doesn't make this division stronger than in the past. 2 really good teams are better than 3 slightly above average squads.

@walstib said:

@Sprachtor said:

AFC North is weaker than it usually is. Ravens used to be much better, still solid and Pitt same story.

Just because the Bengals can actually call themselves a football team doesn't make this division stronger than in the past. 2 really good teams are better than 3 slightly above average squads.

It's not stronger than in the past. You seem to have forgot it's long been the best division in football. Still is, just not by as much. Steelers were well on there way to the #1 seed when Ben went down last year. They may not be quite as good as that team or some Steelers teams in the last decade but they are very capable of adding ring #7 if they get and stay healthy.

I'm hearing a lot of talk about why the AFC North is not the best and how the Bengals are just so-so. What I'm not hearing is a legitimate argument for a division that's better. The NFC North and maybe the AFC South are the only divisions that can even be mentioned in this conversation. Everything else is a joke. Worse case the AFC North is second best by a hair.

Fair enough.

Really though, it's hard for me to call a division the best without having a favorite to win it all. I know all you stiller fans are all juiced after the win last week but 2 weeks ago you were in the gutter. It's the nature of the NFL.

Why do you say I forgot how long it's been good? You make this claim any number of years not this year and I would agree. Stillers aren't scaring anyone right now though.

Big Ben keeps going down because PITs O line is trash. .

@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:

Big Ben keeps going down because PITs O line is trash. .

In the 3 weeks leading up to Ben's injury, the Steelers ran for 168, 140 and 158 (vs NY) yards. One doesn't simply run for +140 3 weeks in a row in the NFL. The O-line is much improved and when there is even the slightest threat of pass (which there is with Ben at QB), they can run. Running the ball, which controls the time of possession, and then fielding the leagues #1 defense, is called how to win a super bowl.

@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:

Like I said... nfc north is the best in football right now. Chicago and green bay would mop any team in the afcn off the field, and minn is probably just a step behind baltimore and pit.

Minn is probably just a step behind Pitt and Balt? I'll argue that as being an insane statement.

Minn 6 wins - Jax, Ten, Det twice, Ari and SF.

If you want to write off Cincy at 7-5 the way you did, you cannot, in the same comment, then make 6-6 Minn just a step behind Balt and Pitt. I cry fowl.

Fuck! Yes! finally... I get pissed at the Ravens decision making a lot of the time, but at least we're a proactive franchise. There's no way I would have thought this would happen at 9-4.

So Long You Dick!

Now we need to reload on D and pick up some O-Line talent.... easier said than done.