Non-Phish Content question for a script I'm writing: does anybody have experience with acid being absorbed through their skin? Wondering if this is possible or just urban legend. For example, if you were holding some tabs in your hand and the paper got wet from spilled water, rain, etc, could it get into your system?

Thanks!

yes

its very possible

Thanks, guys. Would it be believable if somebody had a sheet in their pocket, got soaked in the rain and ended up tripping?

See above clip.

Small amounts can easily be absorbed if you mix it with DMSO.

Hmm, maybe the vial is a better way to go. Potentially more realistic that liquid acid would go through clothes into skin rather than tabs getting wet and diluted and doing the same.

Ha, no acid in Community this year, but there will be some Phish references in my episode for those who pay attention.

@Tsac77 said:

@Robert_Zimmerman said:

See above clip.

I'm going for something a little more realistic than the tone in that clip. Just want to make sure that people wouldn't call bullshit on something like that in a real world scenario. Thanks, Zim.

Gotcha! That scene just immediatly popped into my head. If you're writing for a more mainstream audience they're mostly clueless on acid anyways...

If you are interested in the fascinating history of LSD, get this EXCELLENT book.

ACID DREAMS

In this book there are details of episodes in which people have absorbed LSD through their skin.
LSD cooks can even breathe it in, if, for example, they are pressing it into pills and it's a messy process. If memory serves me right, the book mentions that Owsley was doing this at one point, when the Dead were living with him, and everyone in the place was getting high all the time and having trouble getting much sleep. Powder from the pills was in the air and settling on shit.

I had a lady at the 4 mile canyon revival with string cheese the night before the broomfield run squirt me on the back of both my achillies tendons, i was already pretty deep on some boomers but needless to say when the shrooms wore off i was VERY fluffed out, felt like 600+ mics, she didnt ask me if i wanted to dose just pranked me out, never really had that happen before, was a grate experience

Nope. Not unless crystal gets into the mucous membranes (yes, if there is enough crystal in the air then it can be inhaled). It is possible if you have a cut or open sore on your skin, however. I've had vials leak in my pockets and have tried dosing by dropping hits on my skin - I never tripped from any of those occurrences or even got a mild buzz. Don't believe the hype. I have first hand experience and it doesn't work. BTW, all the rumors of mixing L with DMSO and being dosed through the skin are false. It doesn't work.

Another fact: "I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" -- DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened!

How did this very meticulous Swiss chemist get the LSD into his body? I don't know.

The other fact we need to think about is when Albert was a child, he had a spontaneous mystical experience. Now depending on whether you're a psychologist or a psychiatrist or whatever, we could say that Albert had a predisposition to altered states of consciousness.

So what facts do we know? I'm going to formulate a hypothesis. He took a dose that by your consensus should have lasted certainly more than two hours, but it only lasted two hours. He was a meticulous chemist -- a Swiss chemist. Anyone I know who's worked with LSD -- and Nick Sand painted a solution of it on his arm -- didn't get high. This doesn't make sense. And what is this peculiar presentiment? Why the 25th in the series? Inexplicable! And, he was predisposed to altered states of consciousness.

The only hypothesis I can come up with that's consistent with all of these facts is that on April 16, 1943, Albert Hofmann did not get LSD in his body at all. He had a spontaneous mystical experience! " - Dr. David E. Nichols

Dr. David Nichols is only person in the united states with a DEA license to synthesize LSD. He's done many studies on it, and is extremely knowledgable about this substance. I have personal experience with getting large amounts of potent liquid on my bare skin accidentally. There was no effect whatsoever. Granted, I was already dosed with a couple puddles of it, but there was no difference. The only way it will absorb through your skin is if you're working with crystal. Laying blotter can get you high as shit, but it's also worth noting that it will get in the air when the vials are opened. This happens when the CO2 the jars are sealed with is displaced by the air in the room.

YEs. Acid. Skin. Liquid. Yes.

Just to clarify, unless you inhale crystals, have an open sore or cut and LSD gets into your blood, or L comes in contact with your mucous membranes, YOU CANNOT TRIP FROM L CONTACTING YOUR SKIN!!!

See my above post citing professionals in the field of psychedelic chemistry/science with credentials and overwhelming experience proving the statement I made.

Don't know who they are? Do a google search:

Dr. David E. Nichols

Nick Sand

MYTH BUSTED!!! Na-na na-na boo boo!

LSD fact sheet

Briefly:
LSD is a white powder or a clear, colorless liquid. Synonyms: d-lysergic acid diethylamide; acid, animal, barrels, beast, blotter, ‘cid, dots, kool aid, LSD-25, lysergide, microdots, panes, sandoz, tabs, trips, white lightning, window panes.

Source: LSD is manufactured from lysergic acid which occurs naturally in the ergot fungus that grows on wheat and rye. It is a Schedule I controlled substance, available in liquid, powder, tablet (microdots), and capsule form. The liquid is often applied to blotter paper squares (frequently with colorful designs), stickers, sugar cubes, candy, or soda crackers. LSD is also available in dropper bottles or in the form of gelatin sheets/shapes (window panes).

Drug Class: Hallucinogen, psychedelic, psychotomimetic.

Medical and Recreational Uses: No medicinal use. Recreationally used as a hallucinogen and for its ability to alter human perception and mood.

Potency, Purity and Dose: The strength of illicit LSD nowadays ranges from 20 to 80 m g per dose, which is considerably less than doses reported during the 1960s and early 1970s, of 100-200 m g or higher per unit. Experienced users typically administer 100-200 m g for a “good high”. The potency of liquid LSD in dropper bottles may vary because the liquid is water based.

Route of Administration: Primarily oral administration, but can be inhaled, injected, and transdermally applied.

Edit: transdermally means through the skin. I've heard of it happening with sweat and paper, I've fingered lots of tabs and never drew a buzz; for a script absolutely plausible.

2nd: edit, would consider inter-muscular shot of L

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I've handled thousands of hits barehanded, cut them up, and packaged them, had vials leak through my pockets onto my skin, experimentally dropped liquid onto my skin until it evaporated, and I NEVER got high from it (years ago and the statute of limitations has expired).

Wow, you included everything except where I can get some!
@careful_w_that_axe_Miller said:

LSD fact sheet

Briefly:
LSD is a white powder or a clear, colorless liquid. Synonyms: d-lysergic acid diethylamide; acid, animal, barrels, beast, blotter, �cid, dots, kool aid, LSD-25, lysergide, microdots, panes, sandoz, tabs, trips, white lightning, window panes.

Source: LSD is manufactured from lysergic acid which occurs naturally in the ergot fungus that grows on wheat and rye. It is a Schedule I controlled substance, available in liquid, powder, tablet (microdots), and capsule form. The liquid is often applied to blotter paper squares (frequently with colorful designs), stickers, sugar cubes, candy, or soda crackers. LSD is also available in dropper bottles or in the form of gelatin sheets/shapes (window panes).

Drug Class: Hallucinogen, psychedelic, psychotomimetic.

Medical and Recreational Uses: No medicinal use. Recreationally used as a hallucinogen and for its ability to alter human perception and mood.

Potency, Purity and Dose: The strength of illicit LSD nowadays ranges from 20 to 80 m g per dose, which is considerably less than doses reported during the 1960s and early 1970s, of 100-200 m g or higher per unit. Experienced users typically administer 100-200 m g for a �good high�. The potency of liquid LSD in dropper bottles may vary because the liquid is water based.

Route of Administration: Primarily oral administration, but can be inhaled, injected, and transdermally applied.

Edit: transdermally means through the skin. I've heard of it happening with sweat and paper, I've fingered lots of tabs and never drew a buzz; for a script absolutely plausible.

2nd: edit, would consider inter-muscular shot of L

@Busta_Move said:

@Tsac77 said:

Thanks, guys. Would it be believable if somebody had a sheet in their pocket, got soaked in the rain and ended up tripping?

No, that's an urban legend.

I remember hearing an urban legend when I was teen about a guy that had a sheet in his pocket at a concert where it started raining, and it soaked in and he wound up in a mental institution. He thought he was a glass of orange juice and wanted everyone to drink him.

Good way to make an acid noob paranoid, I guess.

Every town has that glass of orange juice guy. Shit drives me nuts. This girl at school was telling about it, I told her it was bullshit. She replied with "my friend's friend knows this guy that knew this guy....." I revealed some of my past & her mouth dropped. No more argument from her. :smirk:

Yeah @ddderek, it's a myth.

You guys need to stop talking and start hookin it up.

::I think I am a glass of orange juic::
::only want chicks to drink me::

@harroldHOOD said:

I'm not really looking to argue with anyone but I'd just like to reiterate: I've done it and seen it be done. It's definitely possible. I can't really attest to any of your experiences but I can certainly assure you from mine. The experiences I've had were on the hand, arm and back of neck.

To answer the hypothetical: I don't know if a sheet being in someone's pocket and then it raining really be enough to make someone trip FWIW

Placebo, so it got in through a small cut, or some of it came into contact with a mucus membrane. That's the only way. The scientists that have actually studied it say this. A couple chemists (Nick Sand & Dr. David Nichols) have said it. Myself & my old friends say it. I spent some years deep in the underground working with LSD, and some old friends of mine spent decades doing this work. I've had multiple milligrams of freshly broken down LSD smeared on my cheek to no effect whatsoever. It just doesn't work.

"Route of Administration: Primarily oral administration, but can be inhaled, injected, and transdermally applied."

I'm not really trying to argue hetty status with you. Just saying, I've done it. Friends have done it. Scientist who created it, did it.

Couldn't it seep into your pores though?

No. You can not. You can not trip through your skin. I would have. I did not. It is not possible.