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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/12/12-12-12-concert-ticket-scalpers-the-hurricane-sandy-benefit-spoilers.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/12/12-12-12-concert-ticket-scalpers-the-hurricane-sandy-benefit-spoilers.html
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I love and hate stubhub. I've gotten cheap tickets on there before to shows I just didn't know were happening. I got Dispatch tickets last year for 5 bucks a piece and James Taylor tickets for 15 a piece. Then you see other shows like Phil and Friends a couple of weeks ago that were like 130. Obviously there is some terrible stuff going on there, but it is tough for me to complain when I only buy from there if the tickets are face or below. Never should charity concert tickets be up there. Also not surprised that Rose doesn't know what stubhub is. What a guy!
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Wow... Lots to think about...Artist scalping tickets themselves, or at least their management company
Only about 80% of tickets actually go to the public sale
Either way the CEO of stub hub is a dirt bag who apparently doesn't think stub hub places any part in the scalping business
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If you think the CEO of stub hub is a dirt bag, then you're a commie. He's not breaking any laws.
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@Drgordy said: Either way the CEO of stub hub is a dirt bag who apparently doesn't think stub hub places any part in the scalping businessI don't think that's what he was saying at all. I thought he was saying "yeah, we scalp tickets. It's not illegal so STFU and look at all the other sources of the problem as well."
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having met the ceo of stubhub i can tell you he is the not a scumbag. providing a market place for people to safely and securely buy and sell things for what people are comfortable paying is not immoral.
just because you don't like having to pay a premium for premium things doesn't mean its wrong.
no other topic makes smart people sound like idiots like scalping does.
while scalping tickets to a benefit concert may sound like some scumbag thing to do lets look at it realistically. nobody is getting hurt. the charity involved is making the same exact money as they would because the $$ they get from ticket sales is not affected at all by secondary markets. If anything its helping drive initial ticket sales which is a good thing for them.
In life you usually have to pay more money for things in high demand. Everything has a market value. why concert goers feel concert tickets are any different is beyond me.
just because you don't like having to pay a premium for premium things doesn't mean its wrong.
no other topic makes smart people sound like idiots like scalping does.
while scalping tickets to a benefit concert may sound like some scumbag thing to do lets look at it realistically. nobody is getting hurt. the charity involved is making the same exact money as they would because the $$ they get from ticket sales is not affected at all by secondary markets. If anything its helping drive initial ticket sales which is a good thing for them.
In life you usually have to pay more money for things in high demand. Everything has a market value. why concert goers feel concert tickets are any different is beyond me.
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@BillyBatts said: having met the ceo of stubhub i can tell you he is the not a scumbag. providing a market place for people to safely and securely buy and sell things for what people are comfortable paying is not immoral. just because you don't like having to pay a premium for premium things doesn't mean its wrong. no other topic makes smart people sound like idiots like scalping does. while scalping tickets to a benefit concert may sound like some scumbag thing to do lets look at it realistically. nobody is getting hurt. the charity involved is making the same exact money as they would because the $$ they get from ticket sales is not affected at all by secondary markets. If anything its helping drive initial ticket sales which is a good thing for them. In life you usually have to pay more money for things in high demand. Everything has a market value. why concert goers feel concert tickets are any different is beyond me.
Exactly! I'm not a fan of phish scalping only because I'm a part of the community and don't like to see tickets get gobbled up by scalpers, but outside of Phish, I really don't have a problem with it if it's done legally and no one is getting ripped off.
And since I'm against the scalping of Phish tickets, I just don't buy any phish tickets over face value. It's the only thing any of us can really do to fight scalping. Just don't support it. And if that means missing the show of the year, then so be it.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:
In the end, despite what most fans FEEL to be true, its a good thing that the secondary market exists like it does. 8 out of 10 times it results in cheap tickets. the other 20% of the time it guarantees an option to buy and pick your seats if you want. If every single ticket went into the hands of a fan planning to use the ticket to go to the show there would be little to no options to purchase or trade tickets to high demand shows.
Its a nasty fact of life but its a fact none the less. People who think scalping is a huge problem really don't have their facts straight and are extremely exaggerating the impact scalpers have. Even if scalpers were wiped off the face of the earth a show like MSG for NYE would sell out just as fast and it would be even tougher for those shut out to find tickets. With scalpers around it means a ticket is always available albeit at a premium.
@BillyBatts said:that seems so dumb to me. Why would i let a few $$ stop me from going to see a show i want to see?having met the ceo of stubhub i can tell you he is the not a scumbag. providing a market place for people to safely and securely buy and sell things for what people are comfortable paying is not immoral. just because you don't like having to pay a premium for premium things doesn't mean its wrong. no other topic makes smart people sound like idiots like scalping does. while scalping tickets to a benefit concert may sound like some scumbag thing to do lets look at it realistically. nobody is getting hurt. the charity involved is making the same exact money as they would because the $$ they get from ticket sales is not affected at all by secondary markets. If anything its helping drive initial ticket sales which is a good thing for them. In life you usually have to pay more money for things in high demand. Everything has a market value. why concert goers feel concert tickets are any different is beyond me.Exactly! I'm not a fan of phish scalping only because I'm a part of the community and don't like to see tickets get gobbled up by scalpers, but outside of Phish, I really don't have a problem with it if it's done legally and no one is getting ripped off. And since I'm against the scalping of Phish tickets, I just don't buy any phish tickets over face value. It's the only thing any of us can really do to fight scalping. Just don't support it. And if that means missing the show of the year, then so be it.
In the end, despite what most fans FEEL to be true, its a good thing that the secondary market exists like it does. 8 out of 10 times it results in cheap tickets. the other 20% of the time it guarantees an option to buy and pick your seats if you want. If every single ticket went into the hands of a fan planning to use the ticket to go to the show there would be little to no options to purchase or trade tickets to high demand shows.
Its a nasty fact of life but its a fact none the less. People who think scalping is a huge problem really don't have their facts straight and are extremely exaggerating the impact scalpers have. Even if scalpers were wiped off the face of the earth a show like MSG for NYE would sell out just as fast and it would be even tougher for those shut out to find tickets. With scalpers around it means a ticket is always available albeit at a premium.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:
If you think the CEO of stub hub is a dirt bag, then you're a commie. He's not breaking any laws.Why does that mean he can't be a dirt bag? You're logic is borderline retarded.
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@IntoYesterday said:
Stub Hub is one of the best companies i have ever worked with. They have amazing customer service and ensure that every transaction is guaranteed and protected for both parties. its one of the most reliable companies in the world.
@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:If you think that because he started a business providing a place for people to safely and securely buy and sell concert tickets makes him a dirtbag then you are the one with retarded logic.If you think the CEO of stub hub is a dirt bag, then you're a commie. He's not breaking any laws.Why does that mean he can't be a dirt bag? You're logic is borderline retarded.
Stub Hub is one of the best companies i have ever worked with. They have amazing customer service and ensure that every transaction is guaranteed and protected for both parties. its one of the most reliable companies in the world.
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"that seems so dumb to me. Why would i let a few $$ stop me from going to see a show i want to see?"Because it's often a lot more than a few dollars. If it were a few, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm not going to pay double or tripel face value. I see plenty of shows every year without having to, and it won't be the end of the world if I don't catch new years or halloween or whatever big show is going down.
"In the end, despite what most fans FEEL to be true, its a good thing that the secondary market exists like it does. 8 out of 10 times it results in cheap tickets. the other 20% of the time it guarantees an option to buy and pick your seats if you want."
Never said I didn't like a Phish secondary market for tickets, just don't like over face scalping aspect of it.
"If every single ticket went into the hands of a fan planning to use the ticket to go to the show there would be little to no options to purchase or trade tickets to high demand shows."
If that happened, every fans chances of actually getting tickets for face would be better. You're reasoning here is moronic. You want scalpers to take tickets away from fans wanting to pay face, so that fans who weren't lucky enough, but are willing to shell out enough cash can get tickets? What's the point? Either way a lot of people who wanted to get tickets aren't going to get them.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:
Taking advantage of the secondary market when it works in your favor then criticizing it when it doesn't is extremely hypocritical.
Fans chances would increase slightly if scalpers were gone but high demand shows would sell out instantly just the same. the logic is sound. I am not really concerned with what others have to pay to get in the show. I am concerned with myself and my friends having the option to go or not. If you are too cheap to spend an extra $100 to see your "favorite" band than thats on you. Most reasonable people would rather have an option to pay even if its for an extra $100 or even $200 than not have that option but some other people get lucky and get to go. If me getting into the show for $250 meant someone else not getting to go then I am fine with that.
"that seems so dumb to me. Why would i let a few $$ stop me from going to see a show i want to see?" Because it's often a lot more than a few dollars. If it were a few, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm not going to pay double or tripel face value. I see plenty of shows every year without having to, and it won't be the end of the world if I don't catch new years or halloween or whatever big show is going down. "In the end, despite what most fans FEEL to be true, its a good thing that the secondary market exists like it does. 8 out of 10 times it results in cheap tickets. the other 20% of the time it guarantees an option to buy and pick your seats if you want." Never said I didn't like a Phish secondary market for tickets, just don't like over face scalping aspect of it. "If every single ticket went into the hands of a fan planning to use the ticket to go to the show there would be little to no options to purchase or trade tickets to high demand shows." If that happened, every fans chances of actually getting tickets for face would be better. You're reasoning here is moronic. You want scalpers to take tickets away from fans wanting to pay face, so that fans who weren't lucky enough, but are willing to shell out enough cash can get tickets? What's the point? Either way a lot of people who wanted to get tickets aren't going to get them.an extra $100 isn't a lot of money to most adults.
Taking advantage of the secondary market when it works in your favor then criticizing it when it doesn't is extremely hypocritical.
Fans chances would increase slightly if scalpers were gone but high demand shows would sell out instantly just the same. the logic is sound. I am not really concerned with what others have to pay to get in the show. I am concerned with myself and my friends having the option to go or not. If you are too cheap to spend an extra $100 to see your "favorite" band than thats on you. Most reasonable people would rather have an option to pay even if its for an extra $100 or even $200 than not have that option but some other people get lucky and get to go. If me getting into the show for $250 meant someone else not getting to go then I am fine with that.
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@BillyBatts said: @me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:Well we've already established that you're a dick."that seems so dumb to me. Why would i let a few $$ stop me from going to see a show i want to see?" Because it's often a lot more than a few dollars. If it were a few, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm not going to pay double or tripel face value. I see plenty of shows every year without having to, and it won't be the end of the world if I don't catch new years or halloween or whatever big show is going down. "In the end, despite what most fans FEEL to be true, its a good thing that the secondary market exists like it does. 8 out of 10 times it results in cheap tickets. the other 20% of the time it guarantees an option to buy and pick your seats if you want." Never said I didn't like a Phish secondary market for tickets, just don't like over face scalping aspect of it. "If every single ticket went into the hands of a fan planning to use the ticket to go to the show there would be little to no options to purchase or trade tickets to high demand shows." If that happened, every fans chances of actually getting tickets for face would be better. You're reasoning here is moronic. You want scalpers to take tickets away from fans wanting to pay face, so that fans who weren't lucky enough, but are willing to shell out enough cash can get tickets? What's the point? Either way a lot of people who wanted to get tickets aren't going to get them.an extra $100 isn't a lot of money to most adults. Taking advantage of the secondary market when it works in your favor then criticizing it when it doesn't is extremely hypocritical. Fans chances would increase slightly if scalpers were gone but high demand shows would sell out instantly just the same. the logic is sound. I am not really concerned with what others have to pay to get in the show. I am concerned with myself and my friends having the option to go or not. If you are too cheap to spend an extra $100 to see your "favorite" band than thats on you. Most reasonable people would rather have an option to pay even if its for an extra $100 or even $200 than not have that option but some other people get lucky and get to go. If me getting into the show for $250 meant someone else not getting to go then I am fine with that.
Like I said, I'm not going to feel strapped if I don't get to see them on new years because I wasn't lucky enough to get tickets for face (although this year I was). I'm going to have fun with my friends that night at home anyway, so it's not a huge deal. I see Phish several times during the summer. It's not about the extra 100 bucks. For the amount of money I'm spending to get to and from NYC, the hotel, tickets, and whatever else, an extra 100 isn't going to really matter. It's the principle. I already said that. LEARN TO READ f***WAD.
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if you are basing this on principles and are fine with using the secondary market to your advantage when tickets are cheap then you are a giant f***ing hypocrite.
if not caring what other people have to pay to go see a rock concert makes me a dick then so be it. either way i'd rather someone perceive me as a dick than actually be a huge hypocrite.
if not caring what other people have to pay to go see a rock concert makes me a dick then so be it. either way i'd rather someone perceive me as a dick than actually be a huge hypocrite.
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Damn, you people getting so worked up in defense of scalpers need to shut the f*** up already.
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A comment by BillyBatts was voted down. Show anyway
the same should be said for those who are calling them scumbags and making it seem that scalping concert tickets is some deplorable act.
hippiecrites are the f***ing worst.
hippiecrites are the f***ing worst.
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::: posts in epic thread :::
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No scalping = fans get tickets at face. Scalping = fans still get tickets, but must pay way more.
Scalping sucks
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@jcorn said: No scalping = fans get tickets at face.buh buh buh buh but what about the free market maaaaaaaaan?!
Scalping = fans still get tickets, but must pay way more.
Scalping sucks
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I find it funny when people resort to insulting each others intelligence in order to prove their point
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I'm here for the free market gang bang.
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@ivy_light said: I'm here for the free market gang bang.It is a $300 entree fee. It was only $2 when they first went on sale though.
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:miracles @ivy_light:
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@Drgordy said: I find it funny when people resort to insulting each others intelligence in order to prove their pointstupidhead.
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The CEO of stubhub is a huge dirt bag for letting people sell tickets to a relief concert of that magnitude
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@Jimmymac03 said:
Ill take then man! I don't get why you's got so heated over it. It's a part of the way things are and always will be. Why get so heated about something it will take more than just yourself to change ?
@ivy_light said:I'm here for the free market gang bang.It is a $300 entree fee. It was only $2 when they first went on sale though.
Ill take then man! I don't get why you's got so heated over it. It's a part of the way things are and always will be. Why get so heated about something it will take more than just yourself to change ?
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All the service charges were donated to the relief though. It said it was like 20% or something. Although at about 5 pm I saw tix for obstructed view seats for $1,599 minimum. Which is f***ed up.
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@Theme85 said: The CEO of stubhub is a huge dirt bag for letting people sell tickets to a relief concert of that magnitudewhy?
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@Theme85 said:
The CEO of stubhub is a huge dirt bag for letting people sell tickets to a relief concert of that magnitudei have a feeling he didnt decide whether or not to put those tickets up on the site. in fact he's probably unaware of most shows/events that are for sale
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thanks for the morning entertainment guys
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Cliff Notes Please?
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@TheEmu said: @cupuscakus said:...except people I know and love.Cliff Notes Please?Everyone is a moronic dickhead.
The end.
The End
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Nanny nanny boo boo
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@bostonron said: @TheEmu said:Totes.@cupuscakus said:...except people I know and love.Cliff Notes Please?Everyone is a moronic dickhead.
The end.
The End
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::Also posts in epic thread::you are all hypocrites for posting in this epic thread.
and moronic dickheads.
::Scalp tickets to epic thread::
::wonders if secondary market actually sells seconds::
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@Harry61991 said:
what a deplorable group of scumbags.
All the service charges were donated to the relief though. It said it was like 20% or something. Although at about 5 pm I saw tix for obstructed view seats for $1,599 minimum. Which is f***ed up.so in this case it was actually better that scalpers were selling tickets on stub hub and helped raise a few thousand more dollars for a great cause.
what a deplorable group of scumbags.
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@BillyBatts said:
@Harry61991 said:Well the scalpers had no concern for the affected areas at all I'm sure. And the charities made a fraction of what the scalpers did.All the service charges were donated to the relief though. It said it was like 20% or something. Although at about 5 pm I saw tix for obstructed view seats for $1,599 minimum. Which is f***ed up.so in this case it was actually better that scalpers were selling tickets on stub hub and helped raise a few thousand more dollars for a great cause.
what a deplorable group of scumbags.
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@BillyBatts said: @an extra $100 isn't a lot of money to most adults.Yes it is. If I'm wrong, send me $100. Man, talk about entitlement and arrogance and superiority complex. "If I don't get tickets before they sell out, I'll just shell out face times X because I can and because the scalpers have my back. Too bad for the poor people who didn't get tickets because the scalpers bought them and charged so much."
I pay money to see a band I like play live. I want that money to go to the band, and to the people who support the band, such as the venue and people who work at a ticket office. I've sold at face and I've sold at less than face, but I've never paid more than face.
I won't pay money to scalpers, and I can't agree with people who think scalping (defined as selling at more than face) is ok. Their idea of fair is selfish and privileged and indicative of a "me first" self-centered attitude that is in direct opposition to artistic creativity and community.
Karma's gonna get you, sucker.
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