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Neil said: "Splash".
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trey agrees
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That is kick ass. Neil is the man, bares repeating.If aren't filming the whole show with a tripod, put the phone away and enjoy the music. Leave it to the pros.
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Agreed - thanks
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Personally, I find being concerned with what everyone else does during a show, and taking the role of "phone police," to be more of a distraction than actually using a phone. I'll pay attention to what I want, and allow you to do the same.
Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.
Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.
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i had some idiot whip out an iPad to film a show...It was the Chili Peppers but still...floor seats, this chick is using her iPad to film the show. it's rude, annoying and uncalled for. At the same time it's relatively easy to ignore and/or make very loud passive aggressive comments so the Scorcese in training with their 6 MP phone cam can hear you.
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I would say Neil has finally reached "cranky old man" stage, but he's kind of been a cranky old man since 1966i love a good outburst
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I dont care if you're using your phone, just dont talk loudly during quiet parts of awesome jams.Seems like most people go to shows for the loud parts only?
Its like hey man, Neil Young is over THERE playing the needle and the damage done, do you not understand how ridiculous that is? Please stop talking about your dog.
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I often times leave my phone in the car. Once I'm with my crew if we get there separate I turn it off anyway I hate pocket maZes so I try and limit items on me
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@Cantaloupe said:
Personally, I find being concerned with what everyone else does during a show, and taking the role of "phone police," to be more of a distraction than actually using a phone. I'll pay attention to what I want, and allow you to do the same. Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.Well said.
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Neil is a perfectionist to the fullest. When he was recording MTV unplugged he bitched out the entire band and threw a fit regarding the missed notes and sloppy rehearsal sessions, he forced them to continue practicing for several hours before the actual concert. He expects the best out of the band and his fans.
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adults who can't zone out what others are doing and focus on the music are worse than any of the talkers, filmers, glowtards, and the rest of the idiots doing stupid shit at shows.
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THANK YOU NEIL YOUNG! wtf were they even doing at that show if they weren't there to get down to neil?
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@Cantaloupe said: Personally, I find being concerned with what everyone else does during a show, and taking the role of "phone police," to be more of a distraction than actually using a phone. I'll pay attention to what I want, and allow you to do the same.Sometimes shit is so in your face and talkers are so loud it's not physically possible to ignore it. At that point, the people in question are rude douches that apparently should be elsewhere. I don't go looking for people to yell at but if I have to put effort in to tune out the people in front or in back of me, sooner or later I'm going to say something. I have a great dirty look I give them first. Pretty much says shut the f up cause I'm close to snapping.
Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.
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@walstib said:
for most people concerts are simply entertainment and a chance to have fun with friends. for a lot of people that includes talking, taking pictures, filming, or doing a multitude of things that are very easy for any functioning adult to zone out.
@Cantaloupe said:and what happens if you snap?Personally, I find being concerned with what everyone else does during a show, and taking the role of "phone police," to be more of a distraction than actually using a phone. I'll pay attention to what I want, and allow you to do the same. Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.Sometimes shit is so in your face and talkers are so loud it's not physically possible to ignore it. At that point, the people in question are rude douches that apparently should be elsewhere. I don't go looking for people to yell at but if I have to put effort in to tune out the people in front or in back of me, sooner or later I'm going to say something. I have a great dirty look I give them first. Pretty much says shut the f up cause I'm close to snapping.
for most people concerts are simply entertainment and a chance to have fun with friends. for a lot of people that includes talking, taking pictures, filming, or doing a multitude of things that are very easy for any functioning adult to zone out.
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@BillyBatts said: @walstib said:Don't mind most the things you just said except for the talking while music is playing. I'm talking about 2 people trying to yell over the music in order to have a never ending conversation. If I "snap", I'll lean in and say something like "the reason you need to yell for him to hear you is because there is music playing" and point to Trey. That gets the point across pretty well. If you feel a need to defend people who talk over the music at a Phish show then I can guess I wouldn't like sitting next to you.@Cantaloupe said:and what happens if you snap?Personally, I find being concerned with what everyone else does during a show, and taking the role of "phone police," to be more of a distraction than actually using a phone. I'll pay attention to what I want, and allow you to do the same. Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.Sometimes shit is so in your face and talkers are so loud it's not physically possible to ignore it. At that point, the people in question are rude douches that apparently should be elsewhere. I don't go looking for people to yell at but if I have to put effort in to tune out the people in front or in back of me, sooner or later I'm going to say something. I have a great dirty look I give them first. Pretty much says shut the f up cause I'm close to snapping.
for most people concerts are simply entertainment and a chance to have fun with friends. for a lot of people that includes talking, taking pictures, filming, or doing a multitude of things that are very easy for any functioning adult to zone out.
edit - zoning out people and "properly" hearing the intricate weaving of all the instruments at the same time is very difficult, even for "functioning" adults. Sounds to me like you don't even "hear" whats really happening up there.
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its really not. i have some super loud and annoying friends and the phish crowd today is comprised of some of the more annoying people on the planet. its still extremely easy to zone them out and concentrate on whats happening on stage.
maybe if you spent less time worrying about what others were doing it wouldn't be so tough for you.
maybe if you spent less time worrying about what others were doing it wouldn't be so tough for you.
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Think of it this way, if everyone put away their phones, we would have no taper420.
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I get offended when people are on their cell phones the entire time. Not because it bothers me, but because of the wasted concert ticket. I can use my smartphone when ever I want but those 3 hours of music are hard to come by sometimes.
Love Neil Young, just started reading Waging Heavy Peace and its solid!
Love Neil Young, just started reading Waging Heavy Peace and its solid!
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Keep in mind this is an artist who in the 70s sold out arenas full of adoring fans who would do nothing but stare in awe at the band they were witnessing. A crowd of people texting and checking facebook is probably as pleasant as a slap to the face to a performer, I know I wouldn't be any nicer in that situation. People once were able to focus on one thing for more than a minute and a half without worrying about their phones and social networks. Is it too hard to turn the thing off, or imagine how crazy it would be if you didn't even bring it!?
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Yasunobo Arakawa says no
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@Cantaloupe said: Personally, I find being concerned with what everyone else does during a show, and taking the role of "phone police," to be more of a distraction than actually using a phone. I'll pay attention to what I want, and allow you to do the same.
Also, that was an absurd reaction from a performer, he looks like an angry drunk. Why would I want to watch him mock-text people? I would have rather been texting. Hell, that's probably what I would be doing if by some insane circumstance I wound up at a Neil Young show.
my thoughts exactly. The only reason this was a big deal was because Neil made it into one.
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@BernardShakey said:
Keep in mind this is an artist who in the 70s sold out arenas full of adoring fans who would do nothing but stare in awe at the band they were witnessing. A crowd of people texting and checking facebook is probably as pleasant as a slap to the face to a performer, I know I wouldn't be any nicer in that situation. People once were able to focus on one thing for more than a minute and a half without worrying about their phones and social networks. Is it too hard to turn the thing off, or imagine how crazy it would be if you didn't even bring it!?pretty sure crowds in the 70s were just as druntalkative and potentially "disrespectful" as they are now. they just didn't have toys to play with.
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@BillyBatts said: @BernardShakey said:Maybe, I mean of course there were probably some idiots at those shows I mean you can hear some talkers even in Dead tapes and stuff, but I genuinely believe people were more respectful to the bands back then, and maybe not having toys let them actually pay attention to what they paid to see.Keep in mind this is an artist who in the 70s sold out arenas full of adoring fans who would do nothing but stare in awe at the band they were witnessing. A crowd of people texting and checking facebook is probably as pleasant as a slap to the face to a performer, I know I wouldn't be any nicer in that situation. People once were able to focus on one thing for more than a minute and a half without worrying about their phones and social networks. Is it too hard to turn the thing off, or imagine how crazy it would be if you didn't even bring it!?pretty sure crowds in the 70s were just as druntalkative and potentially "disrespectful" as they are now. they just didn't have toys to play with.
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Neil Young is a rock legend and a giant ass.
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I dare someone to tell me what i can do with my phone durring a show. Go f*** your selfs... Seriously you have no given right on your own ticket to say a word to anyone using any device that does not disrupt the band or anything. GIVE IT UP....
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Obviously no one can force you to put it away, none of us are the "recreation police", but if you really come to a concert only to keep distracting yourself with something as banal as checking your phone then that is a bit sad.
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@BillyBatts said: @BernardShakey said:The crowds of the 60's and 70's were super polite. Respectful of everyone around them and had a true sense of community, a sense I'm sorry to say much of the Phish scene has almost totally lost. It wasn't "your" show and there wasn't an "I paid my admission I'll do what I want" attitude. You are totally wrong about what you say your "pretty sure" about.Keep in mind this is an artist who in the 70s sold out arenas full of adoring fans who would do nothing but stare in awe at the band they were witnessing. A crowd of people texting and checking facebook is probably as pleasant as a slap to the face to a performer, I know I wouldn't be any nicer in that situation. People once were able to focus on one thing for more than a minute and a half without worrying about their phones and social networks. Is it too hard to turn the thing off, or imagine how crazy it would be if you didn't even bring it!?pretty sure crowds in the 70s were just as druntalkative and potentially "disrespectful" as they are now. they just didn't have toys to play with.
They weren't just listening to music, they were changing the world. Appears some of you need a history lesson. Those weren't just concerts. People died for the cause (see Kent). Music was the platform to deliver the message and CSN&Y were quite possible the most vocal of them all. I can understand why Neil gets pissed on occasion. He's seen the changes.
All that said. Neil has had his share of bad nights where he is a dick. Seen him a dozen times over the decades (get it?) and a couple have been grumpy Neil. Booze will do that.
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Worry about yourself, so tired of people telling others what to do.
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If anyone has 6 minutes, I suggest listening to this entire song. You may get an idea of not only what crowds were like but what was going on at concerts.
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Listen to just 3:45 to 5:15 if you have ADD. Dig it?
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^Four Way Streets is among my all time favorite albums. Great points about the crowds, in fact that was my original point; I couldn't imagine playing in front of a sold out arena of people that thought you were a god, then years later just being the background soundtrack to checking twitter and facebook. Musicians are already moody and paranoid that people don't understand their art, but faces glowing form the phone in their face has to be discouraging to Trey or Neil or anyone.
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are we talking about actually talking or texting looking? big difference... if someone was constantly talking id just move.....
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This is a generational thing. People over the age of 40, say, who came up before cellphones, texting, facebook, and that sort of thing, often just have different expectations because their formative musical experiences were cell-phone free. They can't imagine that people would want to "multi-task" at a show. Peeps who were born into a world that was already full of cell phones, texting, tweeting, instant messaging can't imagine not texting and stuff at a show; they're very comfortable with lots of different inputs coming at them simultaneously. I'm not saying all people of those generations are like that, dig, but it often falls out like that. Me personally? I'm an over 40 guy, and I get distracted as shit when people wave a phone in my face and "share" their conversations with me, but it's the twenty-first century, so what're you gonna do? It's hard to bridge the generational gap. Oh, and Neil, Trey, Mike, Page, Fish? They're over 40 too and y'all are paying to spend time with them at their show (not yours). Just sayin . . .
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@SicMD said: I dare someone to tell me what i can do with my phone durring a show. Go f*** your selfs... Seriously you have no given right on your own ticket to say a word to anyone using any device that does not disrupt the band or anything. GIVE IT UP....And people have no given right to distract those who paid money to hear music. Granted, a little texting or taking pictures isn't bad.
But talking or that one person drunkenly muttering along is awful, it's really distracting; you shouldn't have to move either. They should be the ones who have to move, if you're going to talk like it's your tod damned Facebook wall, you should be in a less desirable area of the venue. Also, some dancing can ruin it; there was one guy at Wanee who stood in front of me and was doing this moronic dance (hopping from side-to-side and spinning in place the entire time) where I was afraid he was going to headbutt me the entire time. It was totally invasive of my personal space, he was acting like he had all of the space in the world and would NOT let me pass.
Personally, I think those who come to dance or talk or such should appropriately place themselves in the venue for such activities. Sorry about the rant...
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I only bring my cell phone to shows to check the time (i.e. is there still time for a raging YEM set II closer?) and to help locate friends should we get separated pre and/or post show. So I think it is perfectly acceptable to bring the device as long as one has self control, which can be tough for most.
The only time that I can say that I was truly annoyed by people talking around me was at Blossom this year. Granted the sound was more quite than usual, but it seemed like people there couldn't shut up. Once the sun went down and set II started it wasn't as bad. But I've never felt the need to tell someone to stop what they're doing. After a certain point I really didn't care anymore, I just tried to ignore it and that worked well enough. I get more annoyed when someone is trying to film the show from the lawn and I have to watch CK5 do his thing through some smartphone screen, lucky that usually only lasts for a few minutes.
What is more annoying to me is when some big tall/fat person is moving through the crowd and stops right in front of me annexing my dancing space. I'm a short person so I find this most annoying, especially if I've been holding down the same spot since the start of the show. This happens to me all the time at shows and it freaking sucks. People talking at shows is more annoying than people texting, at least that is a quite activity. Usually the music is loud enough that you can't really hear most other people (maybe unless they are right next to you and they are screaming). In summary I really don't find cellphones a distraction to my musical experience, I do my best to pay attention to the music, and I'm a young dude. Its no reason to get angry or offended.
The only time that I can say that I was truly annoyed by people talking around me was at Blossom this year. Granted the sound was more quite than usual, but it seemed like people there couldn't shut up. Once the sun went down and set II started it wasn't as bad. But I've never felt the need to tell someone to stop what they're doing. After a certain point I really didn't care anymore, I just tried to ignore it and that worked well enough. I get more annoyed when someone is trying to film the show from the lawn and I have to watch CK5 do his thing through some smartphone screen, lucky that usually only lasts for a few minutes.
What is more annoying to me is when some big tall/fat person is moving through the crowd and stops right in front of me annexing my dancing space. I'm a short person so I find this most annoying, especially if I've been holding down the same spot since the start of the show. This happens to me all the time at shows and it freaking sucks. People talking at shows is more annoying than people texting, at least that is a quite activity. Usually the music is loud enough that you can't really hear most other people (maybe unless they are right next to you and they are screaming). In summary I really don't find cellphones a distraction to my musical experience, I do my best to pay attention to the music, and I'm a young dude. Its no reason to get angry or offended.
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This is the type of thing I think most people are complaining about here. I was there and it's much funnier in retrospect... believe me!Edit: BTW the youtube video that is missing is of David Ortiz charging the mound and the missing image at the bottom is this...
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This dude was on his phone for what seemed like three quarters of the first set at Alpine last summer.
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@TheEmu said: Neil Young is a rock legend and a giant ass.based on this? Have to respectfully disagree. Cranky? Yeah, probably. Giant ass? Too far.
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@AugustWest2001 said: @TheEmu said:I admit that I don't have a body of evidence to back up that statement. I think Neil has a pretty good reputation as abrasive, though, and I've long had an impression of him as a self-righteous jerkwad. So throwing a glass of water on a woman because she has the temerity to not listen to what you're playing? In my book, that definitely earns you the label of "ass."Neil Young is a rock legend and a giant ass.based on this? Have to respectfully disagree. Cranky? Yeah, probably. Giant ass? Too far.
None of this is to dismiss his importance in rock history or his musicianship and artistry. Plenty of other amazing artists have reputations as douchebags. David Byrne, Christopher Guest, etc.
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@TheEmu said: @AugustWest2001 said:David Byrne? Do go on...@TheEmu said:I admit that I don't have a body of evidence to back up that statement. I think Neil has a pretty good reputation as abrasive, though, and I've long had an impression of him as a self-righteous jerkwad. So throwing a glass of water on a woman because she has the temerity to not listen to what you're playing? In my book, that definitely earns you the label of "ass."Neil Young is a rock legend and a giant ass.based on this? Have to respectfully disagree. Cranky? Yeah, probably. Giant ass? Too far.
None of this is to dismiss his importance in rock history or his musicianship and artistry. Plenty of other amazing artists have reputations as douchebags. David Byrne, Christopher Guest, etc.
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@ProfessorDude said: This is a generational thing. People over the age of 40, say, who came up before cellphones, texting, facebook, and that sort of thing, often just have different expectations because their formative musical experiences were cell-phone free. They can't imagine that people would want to "multi-task" at a show. Peeps who were born into a world that was already full of cell phones, texting, tweeting, instant messaging can't imagine not texting and stuff at a show; they're very comfortable with lots of different inputs coming at them simultaneously. I'm not saying all people of those generations are like that, dig, but it often falls out like that. Me personally? I'm an over 40 guy, and I get distracted as shit when people wave a phone in my face and "share" their conversations with me, but it's the twenty-first century, so what're you gonna do? It's hard to bridge the generational gap. Oh, and Neil, Trey, Mike, Page, Fish? They're over 40 too and y'all are paying to spend time with them at their show (not yours). Just sayin . . .i mostly agree with what your saying...that being said im 18 and never ever use my phone at a show. just dont get it. ha like why pay 60 bucks to just text ur friend and tell him how sick it is...doesnt seem like "living in the moment" which sorta what i try to do at phish shows...man i gotta hang out with yall "over 40" guys.
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@mjrphishhead said: David Byrne? Do go on...Again, I will qualify that I am speaking of impressions and reputations. I don't mean to suggest that I have a list of concrete examples or any personal knowledge. But for Byrne, here's a sample:
Admittedly, any such reunion would be problematic. More than most bands, Talking Heads' lifespan was marred by personal conflict and ill will. There were messy disputes over songwriting, with Byrne supposedly refusing to recognise the contributions of his bandmates. And then there was the break-up itself.http://www.theage.com.au/news/Music/Byrning-down-the-house/2005/02/04/1107476787488.html
The band ended infamously in late 1991 while Byrne was promoting his solo album Uh Oh. During an interview, Byrne snapped in response to repeated questions about Talking Heads that the band had broken up. He would later claim it had merely been a way to get the journalist to drop the line of questioning, but the story naturally enough made it into print. The first Weymouth, Frantz or Harrison knew of Talking Heads' demise was when they read about it in The Los Angeles Times.
Byrne has had minimal contact with his former bandmates in the years since. In March last year, Weymouth described Byrne as "a man incapable of returning friendship". She told Glasgow's Sunday Herald: "Cutting off attachments when a thing/person is perceived to have served its purpose or there is a perceived threat to ego is the lifelong pattern of his relations".
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@Beantown said: Worry about yourself, so tired of people telling others what to do.Doesn't telling people to "worry about yourself" qualify as telling others what to do? Just saying...
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YOU NOW HAVE f***ED UP!
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Neil wrote about this in his book, and his main problem with texting etc at his shows is when people do it right up front. He says its a shame that the most expensive seats often go to people who aren't the biggest fans, so they spend half the concert texting and not being 100% in tune with the music. He says this in turn affects his playing, as he gets distracted, so it negatively impacts the show for everyone there. Neil's approach to shows is very similar to Phish, in that he feeds off the crowd reaction.
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