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i wasn't there, but have listened to both shows now, and i'm just wondering how they can come out and kill it like they did on 12.28, and then (seemingly) not even try on 12.29almost like listening to 2 different bands...
your thoughts?
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12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.
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i guess my question would be: do you think trey, mike, page and fish thought last night was a good show? do they think night 1 and night 2 were similar in any way? if not, what were they trying to accomplish last night?
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@bosox424221 said: i guess my question would be: do you think trey, mike, page and fish thought last night was a good show? do they think night 1 and night 2 were similar in any way? if not, what were they trying to accomplish last night?I'd think that they would have thought it was a mediocre show and that they didn't deliver. I thought it was evident that they were having fun at least, shown with the cowbell banter as well as other things. I thought that last night was just energy/peak driven jams.
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I thought they laid an egg last night. The playing was mediocre/nothing exciting, but the set list, man, it was like a custom made/anti Ben Hatley song selection. I have no real golden age hate, but it seemed trey forced it a bit. The waves had potential as did boogie... Whatever, tonight's a new night.
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Opinions on song selection aside I thought last night was a rocking show. They are playing 4 nights in a row why not mix it up a bit? Saturday night mid-run show. I have no issues with a rockin throw down like we had last night. Would I have preferred to be there on 12/28? Yea, but the band seemed to be having a great time. I sure as hell did.Onto song selection. That second set came to a fork in the road as the end of Waves. Down one way was a dark jam into No Quarter. Down the other, well you heard it. I would have loved the dark jam road but the road they did take was well played and fun!
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I thought both shows had their highlights but 1st night was a spectacle....2nd night it was a fun first set and second set was like water turning to heat and never stopped. Waves> Caspian at the beginning then Suzy 46 days at the end; Bug was beautiful and overall a very smooth setlist in my opinion. A lot of type 1 jamming but everyone just ripping. very loud and heavy sound by trey this whole run right now. Although the songs weren't extremely long they seem to fit so much music into the smallest spaces.
2nd night was great, 1st night was beyond my comprehension.... Trey to the audience "We never visit anymore" < (paraphrase)
2nd night was great, 1st night was beyond my comprehension.... Trey to the audience "We never visit anymore" < (paraphrase)
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Never miss a Sunday. Every day's a new day.
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The concept that a show that doesn't go type II is the equivalent of not trying is ignorant.
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@JordanThePhisherman said: 12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.I gotta disagree with tight playing from last night. Composed section of waves was botched and the beginning of Coil was a mess. It was like no one remembered what key coil was in. Also I dont really know what happened after the second verse of waves. They kept chanting underwater and it seemed like the they were headed for a dark ethereal jam, and then trey starts banging the opening chords to caspian. I really like some of 12/28 but last night fell flat for me. Luckily there's plenty of jamming songs left on the table and plenty of opportunity for redemption. I hope that in a few weeks no one will remember 12/29 because they will be talking about the epic 12/30 and 12/31 shows
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Stop bitching. You weren't even there and idc how long or not long you've been seeing Phish. Any show you make it into especially a NYE run show is dope. Be grateful they're all still alive and playing. It was by no means a bad show. Super solid. Some good songs. Some great. Maybe they don't experiment as much as you wanted them too but they still played.
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@JordanThePhisherman said:
Not all shows can be great, good, and mediocre. Some are just plain bad, and last night is in strong contention for worst of 2012. I think it's worse than its main competitor, ATL. We have to be able to acknowledge when a show is bad so we have something to contrast the good shows, like 12/28, with.
12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.If you guys didn't think 12/29 was a bad show, what shows from 2012 are?
Not all shows can be great, good, and mediocre. Some are just plain bad, and last night is in strong contention for worst of 2012. I think it's worse than its main competitor, ATL. We have to be able to acknowledge when a show is bad so we have something to contrast the good shows, like 12/28, with.
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But today is a new day, an I hope tonight is the best show of the year!
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@walstib said: The concept that a show that doesn't go type II is the equivalent of not trying is ignorant.They've been jamming for 30 years now, and type 1 jams come easily for these guys. The way they're feeling obviously plays a huge part. However, they're at their best when they are experimenting, which involves trying harder.
Type 1 jams are great. 46 Days is one of my favorite songs, which can be as fiery as anything while remaining, almost exculsively, type 1.
Type 2 jams don't always mean the boys are locked in. It takes more effort and more balls trying to create something new, something that's never been played or heard before.
How's that for ignorance?
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@RR1994 said: @JordanThePhisherman said:agreed. atlanta had it's moments, but they were few and far between. kc still had a pretty fine tweezer. okc kind of sucked. 12/29 is right there in that mix. maybe at the bottom of the pile.12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.If you guys didn't think 12/29 was a bad show, what shows from 2012 are?
Not all shows can be great, good, and mediocre. Some are just plain bad, and last night is in strong contention for worst of 2012. I think it's worse than its main competitor, ATL. We have to be able to acknowledge when a show is bad so we have something to contrast the good shows, like 12/28, with.
once again though, tonight is, indeed, a new night.
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I've drawn the conclusion that anyone who says last nights show (12/29) was bad was either not at the show or just dislikes good times. The band rocked last night and I couldn't see a person in my sights from start to finish that wasn't having not only a good time but a great time. Some need to learn to appreciate what's really going on here, we are lucky there even is a New Years run or even a band called "Phish" for that matter. See y'all at the show tonight
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@MiguelSanchez said:
2012 was just such a solid year, I hate when people say a show like 12/29 was mediocre, because that implies it is an average, typical phish show, and it was not. Phish can do far better. Charlotte was an example of a mediocre show, maybe BGCA 2, but not 12/29. It's not far to 2012 phish to say 12/29 is the average, the "standard" phish show.
@RR1994 said:I forgot about OKC. That show was so forgettable it didn't even come to mind.@JordanThePhisherman said:agreed. atlanta had it's moments, but they were few and far between. kc still had a pretty fine tweezer. okc kind of sucked. 12/29 is right there in that mix. maybe at the bottom of the pile.12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.If you guys didn't think 12/29 was a bad show, what shows from 2012 are?
Not all shows can be great, good, and mediocre. Some are just plain bad, and last night is in strong contention for worst of 2012. I think it's worse than its main competitor, ATL. We have to be able to acknowledge when a show is bad so we have something to contrast the good shows, like 12/28, with.
once again though, tonight is, indeed, a new night.
2012 was just such a solid year, I hate when people say a show like 12/29 was mediocre, because that implies it is an average, typical phish show, and it was not. Phish can do far better. Charlotte was an example of a mediocre show, maybe BGCA 2, but not 12/29. It's not far to 2012 phish to say 12/29 is the average, the "standard" phish show.
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@RR1994 said: @JordanThePhisherman said:I am not afraid to admit if a show is a bad show. Last night had extreme energy and was type 1 driven. A mediocre show.12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.If you guys didn't think 12/29 was a bad show, what shows from 2012 are?
Not all shows can be great, good, and mediocre. Some are just plain bad, and last night is in strong contention for worst of 2012. I think it's worse than its main competitor, ATL. We have to be able to acknowledge when a show is bad so we have something to contrast the good shows, like 12/28, with.
As it seems, a lot of fans seem to judge a show on the type 2 jamming. Most people said that Golden Age was the best jam of the night, even though so many other songs raged.
Tonight is a new night, and I'll imagine (or at least hope) that 12/29 will go down as the worst show of the run.
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@chalkdustphanbylimb said: I've drawn the conclusion that anyone who says last nights show (12/29) was bad was either not at the show or just dislikes good times. The band rocked last night and I couldn't see a person in my sights from start to finish that wasn't having not only a good time but a great time. Some need to learn to appreciate what's really going on here, we are lucky there even is a New Years run or even a band called "Phish" for that matter. See y'all at the show tonightI wasn't at the show, and I hate good times...I guess that explains it
Or maybe, I didn't eat enough drugs to truly appreciate how good Phish is...no matter what...always...man
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@bosox424221 said:
Lol I've been to more Phish shows sober than high. If you're actually in love with the band drugs always come second. This is stupid.
@chalkdustphanbylimb said:I've drawn the conclusion that anyone who says last nights show (12/29) was bad was either not at the show or just dislikes good times. The band rocked last night and I couldn't see a person in my sights from start to finish that wasn't having not only a good time but a great time. Some need to learn to appreciate what's really going on here, we are lucky there even is a New Years run or even a band called "Phish" for that matter. See y'all at the show tonightI wasn't at the show, and I hate good times...I guess that explains it
Or maybe, I didn't eat enough drugs to truly appreciate how good Phish is...no matter what...always...man
Lol I've been to more Phish shows sober than high. If you're actually in love with the band drugs always come second. This is stupid.
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I definitely gauge the quality of a show on how much experimentation/type 2 jamming there is. That is what i go to phish to see. i enjoy and appreciate a quality "type 1 jam," but that's not what keeps me coming back.
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@RR1994 said: @MiguelSanchez said:You're fighting an unwinnable battle my friend. Unfortunately, especially around this time of year, it's better to hold your tongue than to try and have a frank discussion about the quality of music. If one is to so much as mention they didn't think that a particular set or jam or song placement was incredible they are hit with accusations of being an "ingrate", not a true fan, etc. This post will undoubtedly be downvoted and I'll be told I don't "get it" or whatever. But I hold to the fact that I love Phish as much as anyone here, and am entitled to my own opinion. Im going to keep going to shows because I love phish's music and have heard what they are capable of producing, and last night was not representative of the magic they can summon on any given night.@RR1994 said:I forgot about OKC. That show was so forgettable it didn't even come to mind.@JordanThePhisherman said:agreed. atlanta had it's moments, but they were few and far between. kc still had a pretty fine tweezer. okc kind of sucked. 12/29 is right there in that mix. maybe at the bottom of the pile.12/29 was not a bad show by any means, just mediocre. I thought there was a lot of energy last night. The band still played very tight but they failed to go into any major exploration in jams.If you guys didn't think 12/29 was a bad show, what shows from 2012 are?
Not all shows can be great, good, and mediocre. Some are just plain bad, and last night is in strong contention for worst of 2012. I think it's worse than its main competitor, ATL. We have to be able to acknowledge when a show is bad so we have something to contrast the good shows, like 12/28, with.
once again though, tonight is, indeed, a new night.
2012 was just such a solid year, I hate when people say a show like 12/29 was mediocre, because that implies it is an average, typical phish show, and it was not. Phish can do far better. Charlotte was an example of a mediocre show, maybe BGCA 2, but not 12/29. It's not far to 2012 phish to say 12/29 is the average, the "standard" phish show.
TL;DR im an ungrateful n00b kms
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@sn0rkel said: @bosox424221 said:I've also seen more shows sober than high. For me, drugs get in the way of focusing on the music. I'm there to listen, not to be all f***ed up. I always have fun at Phish shows, some are just more of a religious experience (BGCA Night 3), while others are just a dance party...@chalkdustphanbylimb said:I've drawn the conclusion that anyone who says last nights show (12/29) was bad was either not at the show or just dislikes good times. The band rocked last night and I couldn't see a person in my sights from start to finish that wasn't having not only a good time but a great time. Some need to learn to appreciate what's really going on here, we are lucky there even is a New Years run or even a band called "Phish" for that matter. See y'all at the show tonightI wasn't at the show, and I hate good times...I guess that explains it
Or maybe, I didn't eat enough drugs to truly appreciate how good Phish is...no matter what...always...man
Lol I've been to more Phish shows sober than high. If you're actually in love with the band drugs always come second. This is stupid.
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I think you guys hit the nail on the head. A mid core show with a great setlist, yet no real type II. Works with me if they are saving it for tonight and tomorrow!
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There aren't different degrees of phish, they are ALL hood.
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thought n1set2 was pretty good. i really enjoyed being able to listen to it. night 2 i came in at gin but first set looks like it had potential, nice seeing rock an roll somewhere other than set 2open. from the looks of set2, it looks like it could've brought the magic. played all songs that i'd want to hear, but i hate to say, i don't think it really lived up to it. loved the encore though.
still got two more nights and plenty left to hear. wish i was up there right now!
still got two more nights and plenty left to hear. wish i was up there right now!
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what happened? I saw my favorite band kill it the second night in a row.
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First of all, I kinda think the OP made a poor choice of words with "(seemingly) not even try". Unless they come out and literally just make fart noises into the mics for 3 hours, I would say they put a great deal of effort into every show they play (obviously excluding the shows involving teh dr00gz). Just because YOU didn't like the show doesn't mean they were up there just f***ing around.That being said, I kind of thought the show was mediocre as well; the opening Golden Age -> Waves combo should have been much better than it was, but both of them suffered from the ripcord effect in the middle of interesting jams, and the rest of the set was...well, I don't REALLY have a problem with Caspian or Bug, but both of them in a set is probably too much to bear when they're essentially the same perfectly pleasant song. That's not to say the GA/Waves combo wasn't GOOD, certainly, and I'll probably listen to that Suzy again when I want some funkiness in my life, but it seems reasonable to say that 12/28's second set was far better. The first set was a just fine first set without a Wolfman's-like jam to kick it up a notch.
That ALSO being said, I kind of think we need to offer some reservations about the shows and the run in general before it ends. Anybody that thinks the NYE runs were just wall to wall killer shows are using selective memory (12/28/97? 12/31/03?); I'm not saying they're BAD, but you can find any number of NYE run shows that were more or less on the level with this one. Think of it another way - what would y'all be saying if the 12/28 and 12/29 shows had been flip-flopped? There'd be a lot of excited buzz about how they got their warmup show out of the way and really delivered on some great jams the second night. Instead, a lot of people seem bummed because they played a "just a show" show instead of Big Cypress.
I dunno. It's entirely possible Phish have a different view of these runs than many of the people that visit this site, in which case I'd say that those people should prepare for some disappointment.
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Also, while I'm thinking about it, 12/28's show was one of the best of the year and the current rating it carries, which would place it firmly on the level of some mediocre Summer '99 level show, is IMO totally nuts.
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Stopped reading after "I wasn't there"
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It's cause I went on the 28th.
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Are we really going to keep shitting on people for having an opinion on a show they didn't attend? I mean, seriously - you know who gets to comment on a show, then? Roughly 30,000 people per show, or a percentile of the Phish fanbase. I mean, sucks for all the people that couldn't get a plane ticket, hotel fare, and show ticket to see them at Fukuoka, I guess that means you can't talk about Drum Logos.Look, I get that the show experience is a wholly different animal from the tape experience (my Phish show stats say zero, but my Bob Dylan -i.e. my favorite musician ever - show stats say "4", and if you are going to tell me that's an inferior experience I'll kindly direct you to my upraised middle finger), but it's entirely unfair to tell people that because they couldn't find a way to make it to the arena and had to listen via webcast/SBD/audience tape/whatever, their opinion on a band they love and care about is null and void.
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@bosox424221 said: @walstib said:Still shows a bunch of it. Your statements are full of opinions that fall so far short of understanding what putting a concert on and playing an instrument actually takes, it's not even funny.The concept that a show that doesn't go type II is the equivalent of not trying is ignorant.They've been jamming for 30 years now, and type 1 jams come easily for these guys. The way they're feeling obviously plays a huge part. However, they're at their best when they are experimenting, which involves trying harder.
Type 1 jams are great. 46 Days is one of my favorite songs, which can be as fiery as anything while remaining, almost exculsively, type 1.
Type 2 jams don't always mean the boys are locked in. It takes more effort and more balls trying to create something new, something that's never been played or heard before.
How's that for ignorance?
We've apparently reached a point where people are sitting around waiting for something so specific that they can no longer appreciate anything else, including whats actually happening in the moment.
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Honestly - a lot of last nights show was the energy in MSG. The Reba is a classic example of that. If you weren't there, you wouldn't get that Reba. Fwiw- I didn't say anyone's oppinion was "null and void" just that IMO last nights show had to be experienced to be understood. Am I not allowed to have that oppinion?
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@n00b100 said: First of all, I kinda think the OP made a poor choice of words with "(seemingly) not even try". Unless they come out and literally just make fart noises into the mics for 3 hours, I would say they put a great deal of effort into every show they play (obviously excluding the shows involving teh dr00gz). Just because YOU didn't like the show doesn't mean they were up there just f***ing around.You're right. They clearly weren't just up there farting around. To rephrase, it seems as they they didn't try to push the envelope or explore, especially compared to night 1.
I don't expect every show to be Big Cypress, I just wonder what is going on in their minds when they play a show like 12.29 after a show like 12.28...was it what they set out to accomplish? was Trey "ripcording" or was the whole band not feeling it?
In "Bittersweet Motel", after the 1st set of The Great Went, Trey was pissed. He felt they weren't doing what those 70,000+ people came to see (or many of them anyway). Did he feel that way last night? Did the band feel that way? Or did they think it was a fun show? a great show? an okay show?
I WANT TO KNOW!
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@lacesoutmike said: [quote] If one is to so much as mention they didn't think that a particular set or jam or song placement was incredible they are hit with accusations of being an "ingrate", not a true fan, etc. /quote]There is a big difference between not finding something incredible and taking a dump all over it. One will draw a bigger reaction, which as we all know is a favorite past time of some folks on the net.
Had you said anytime you piss all over something people tend to disagree it would have been more accurate. You instead took the example of anytime you don't find something perfect it draws fire. You in politics?
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@bosox424221 said: @n00b100 said:Well, if I had to guess, given that they know their art and craft and their body of experience worlds better than we do, I would say that they had a good show that falls squarely in the middle of their history of playing shows, possibly a bit frustrated that some of the avenues they were pondering (@Jayem's No Quarter path not traveled is a great example) didn't quite make it where they wanted, but not *too* upset about it because hey, the people at the show probably had a good time, and that's all that matters in the end. Maybe they felt that the crowd's vibe dictated that exploration wasn't the way to go with that set, and they were at peace with that decision. After all, the setlist after Waves is pretty much either a ballad (if you can call Bug that) or a crowd-pleasing rocker. Sets like that happen sometimes. Hell, first sets are often like that in general.First of all, I kinda think the OP made a poor choice of words with "(seemingly) not even try". Unless they come out and literally just make fart noises into the mics for 3 hours, I would say they put a great deal of effort into every show they play (obviously excluding the shows involving teh dr00gz). Just because YOU didn't like the show doesn't mean they were up there just f***ing around.You're right. They clearly weren't just up there farting around. To rephrase, it seems as they they didn't try to push the envelope or explore, especially compared to night 1.
I don't expect every show to be Big Cypress, I just wonder what is going on in their minds when they play a show like 12.29 after a show like 12.28...was it what they set out to accomplish? was Trey "ripcording" or was the whole band not feeling it?
In "Bittersweet Motel", after the 1st set of The Great Went, Trey was pissed. He felt they weren't doing what those 70,000+ people came to see (or many of them anyway). Did he feel that way last night? Did the band feel that way? Or did they think it was a fun show? a great show? an okay show?
I WANT TO KNOW!
If this is a hiccup on the road to two shows that make Dick's 2012 look like Vegas '04, then nobody will care. If the rest of the run is like this, then you know what? Sometimes things just weren't meant to be. Doesn't mean I won't be just as rabidly excited about the next tour. And it surely doesn't mean the people there didn't have a good time. If the "you weren't there" crowd has one major advantage, it is that - an experience that can never be replicated.
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@harroldHOOD said: Honestly - a lot of last nights show was the energy in MSG. The Reba is a classic example of that. If you weren't there, you wouldn't get that Reba.Absolutely, so long as it comes with the understanding that if someone's not there and they have their own opinion on what THEY experienced via other means, it's equally as valid.
Fwiw- I didn't say anyone's oppinion was "null and void" just that IMO last nights show had to be experienced to be understood. Am I not allowed to have that oppinion?
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@walstib said: @bosox424221 said:The idea that musicians on this level are still struggling with putting on a show and playing their instruments is absurd.@walstib said:Still shows a bunch of it. Your statements are full of opinions that fall so far short of understanding what putting a concert on and playing an instrument actually takes, it's not even funny.The concept that a show that doesn't go type II is the equivalent of not trying is ignorant.They've been jamming for 30 years now, and type 1 jams come easily for these guys. The way they're feeling obviously plays a huge part. However, they're at their best when they are experimenting, which involves trying harder.
Type 1 jams are great. 46 Days is one of my favorite songs, which can be as fiery as anything while remaining, almost exculsively, type 1.
Type 2 jams don't always mean the boys are locked in. It takes more effort and more balls trying to create something new, something that's never been played or heard before.
How's that for ignorance?
We've apparently reached a point where people are sitting around waiting for something so specific that they can no longer appreciate anything else, including whats actually happening in the moment.
And if you think those of us who offer criticism are just "sitting around and waiting for something so specific that they can no longer appreciate anything else," then you're missing the whole point. So when these guys botch an intro, or a solo, or a change, or a jam doesn't reach it's full potential, or they forget the words, we're supposed to just "live in the moment?" Sounds like some exestential hippy bullshit to me.
Those of us who listen the closest are the ones who offer comments of substance. Sorry to rain on your parade bud, but some of us see and listen to Phish for way more than just the moment. It's about a cohesive, non-stop journey from stop to finish. Exploratory jaunts with seemless segues that leave you breathless, wondering what just happened. That's why I love Phish.
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@walstib said: @lacesoutmike said: [quote] If one is to so much as mention they didn't think that a particular set or jam or song placement was incredible they are hit with accusations of being an "ingrate", not a true fan, etc. /quote]Show me one post in this thread where someone "took a dump" all over the show last night. There aren't any. However, there are several posts stating we should be grateful that the band is even still playing regardless of how they play. And you talk about drawing a reaction then throw a snarky little comment on the end of your post. I'm sorry I didn't love last nights set and if people can't understand why, then there is really no point in saying anything else.
There is a big difference between not finding something incredible and taking a dump all over it. One will draw a bigger reaction, which as we all know is a favorite past time of some folks on the net.
Had you said anytime you piss all over something people tend to disagree it would have been more accurate. You instead took the example of anytime you don't find something perfect it draws fire. You in politics?
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I was there on the 28th it was a great show I think that after last years criticism of the run they knew they had to come out strong I liked the second set the golden age jam thought was cool really thought they were going to go into 2001 The boogie was great the Suzy was unforgettable 46 days epic as always Always enjoy the Squirming Coil That said i think because they have so many tunes and with 4 days to play that they don't want to burn out before NYE and trying to please all fans young and old I think it all adds up but honestly its nice to still be able to hear them and go see them and anticipate tours still we should all feel blessed that there still playing for us I know I am
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should we establish that most anybody who takes the time to create an account on phish.net is thankful or grateful or insert synonym that Phish is still playing?it goes without saying people...lets stop being redundant
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Exactly. Not an instant classic by any means, but anyone in attendance who bothered to look around could see the crowd was pumped all night. IMO, this proves the show wasn't a total dud.@chalkdustphanbylimb said:
I've drawn the conclusion that anyone who says last nights show (12/29) was bad was either not at the show or just dislikes good times. The band rocked last night and I couldn't see a person in my sights from start to finish that wasn't having not only a good time but a great time. Some need to learn to appreciate what's really going on here, we are lucky there even is a New Years run or even a band called "Phish" for that matter. See y'all at the show tonight
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Phish has played better concerts than last night. Just like 2011, 12/29 gets 2 stars after a 4-star 12/28 show. It wasn't a bad show, but it fell short of the usual high standards for an "average" night of Phish. The strong setlist was delivered in a "this song is supposed to do this" fashion at best, and sometimes fell short of that mark. Gin and 46 Days did pack plenty of heat into relatively short versions, including some tasty variations in the Bathtub. To me the Golden Age > Waves transition was far more jarring than the latter song's brevity or its rolling into Caspian.
Overall the concert sounds more like work than play. Practice and effort are necessary, but not sufficient, for magic to happen. Hopefully the stars will align these next 2 nights, and the parts that can't be scripted will fall neatly into place.
Overall the concert sounds more like work than play. Practice and effort are necessary, but not sufficient, for magic to happen. Hopefully the stars will align these next 2 nights, and the parts that can't be scripted will fall neatly into place.
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I rated last nights show 2 stars, first night of the run 4 stars. Watched both of the webcasts. Just for reference, I rated:Alpine 1: 3 stars
BGCA2: 2 stars
BGCA3: 4 stars
Dicks 1: 5 stars
Dicks 3: 4 stars
Just a not so random cross-section of shows I was in attendance for this past summer. I had an amazing time at every one of them.
The music that Phish plays is very subjective among us fans, the personal experience, beyond subjective. That personal experience needs to be taken out of the equation when critiquing the music this band puts before us, otherwise what are we here for, to talk about our feelings? Every Phish show is an AMAZING time. If you say otherwise, you're doing it wrong. I would have LOVED to have been there last night. The energy that was pulsating through that room in NYC could certainly be felt through the webcast.
The reason last nights show got a 2 star rating from this guy is purely based on the quality of the music. It was sloppy at times. Sugar Shack, LxL, Waves, Boogie On, Coil, were not played well. I did think Mound was executed very well for a change. With the rest of the show, I just didn't think they pushed the envelope like we all know they can. I'm quite happy with type 1 compositions and rockers being played throughout a show, and yes last night did rock, but there is nothing I would pick out as exceptional or even great. Nothing that stands out.
All that doesn't mean YOU didn't have fun. Don't get offended. I had a great time watching the show from home. Phish kicks-ass every time they take the stage, that's why we are able to critique them and and have opinions about the music. It's impossible to do that with 'standard' material, and Phish is at its best when they are anything but standard. They are the best at what THEY do, but that doesn't mean they don't have off nights.
Enjoy the show tonight. I know I will.
Score: 1
@Furry_Thug said: I rated last nights show 2 stars, first night of the run 4 stars. Watched both of the webcasts. Just for reference, I rated:I know I might sound annoying, but last nights show had SO much energy, the whole place was on fire, including the band.
Alpine 1: 3 stars
BGCA2: 2 stars
BGCA3: 4 stars
Dicks 1: 5 stars
Dicks 3: 4 stars
Just a not so random cross-section of shows I was in attendance for this past summer. I had an amazing time at every one of them.
The music that Phish plays is very subjective among us fans, the personal experience, beyond subjective. That personal experience needs to be taken out of the equation when critiquing the music this band puts before us, otherwise what are we here for, to talk about our feelings? Every Phish show is an AMAZING time. If you say otherwise, you're doing it wrong. I would have LOVED to have been there last night. The energy that was pulsating through that room in NYC could certainly be felt through the webcast.
The reason last nights show got a 2 star rating from this guy is purely based on the quality of the music. It was sloppy at times. Sugar Shack, LxL, Waves, Boogie On, Coil, were not played well. I did think Mound was executed very well for a change. With the rest of the show, I just didn't think they pushed the envelope like we all know they can. I'm quite happy with type 1 compositions and rockers being played throughout a show, and yes last night did rock, but there is nothing I would pick out as exceptional or even great. Nothing that stands out.
All that doesn't mean YOU didn't have fun. Don't get offended. I had a great time watching the show from home. Phish kicks-ass every time they take the stage, that's why we are able to critique them and and have opinions about the music. It's impossible to do that with 'standard' material, and Phish is at its best when they are anything but standard. They are the best at what THEY do, but that doesn't mean they don't have off nights.
Enjoy the show tonight. I know I will.
Last night was filled with crazy type 1 jamming and intense peaking, which the SBD almost always does not give justice to the jam.
Anyone who was there would tell you that the energy level was INSANE last night.
Score: 0
@JordanThePhisherman said:
Being ablaze must have been kind of distracting, and possibly even somewhat alarming, for the band. No wonder they kept things on the short side.
I know I might sound annoying, but last nights show had SO much energy, the whole place was on fire, including the band.
Score: 0
this is how i feel about every multiple night show i go to... i just go for night 1 now 
Score: 0
i was at both, i enjoyed both giving a slighter edge to night 1.
highlights:
night 1: wolfman's, whole second set
night 2: gin, golden age, waves, 46 days
highlights:
night 1: wolfman's, whole second set
night 2: gin, golden age, waves, 46 days
Score: 0
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