Oh and now I'm at MSG waiting til about 9am to catch a train from gct.

That sucks man.

Nice woork

shit happens. sometimes we put our guards down and shit happens.

But dont blame the bouncer for doing his job. take a look in the mirror if you want to blame someone. if he didnt have reason to suspect that you were up to no good, he wouldnt have searched you.

It sucks that you spent the night in jail. hopefully next time youll be more careful

Hey, at least you got your NYE ticket. Not bad, not bad.

Kids when a bouncer in a NYC club bangs the door down it's time to flush whatever you have left. It's not just worth it.

I thought you actually bought a cat from a fan. Drugs are bad....mmm-k.

None of you have ever bought kittens before a Phish show?

@IntoYesterday said:

None of you have ever bought kittens before a Phish show?

I usually keep a fleet of puppy dogs in my car on summer tour.

windows up.

@BigPimpinNYC said:

Kids when a bouncer in a NYC club bangs the door down it's time to flush whatever you have left. It's not just worth it.

Thought this was obvious.

Sorry OP.

sorry to hear that....low hanging fruit on a night when bouncers are at their wits end

hopefully they dont link up the train cars between this one and the previous one
http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1340560814
http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1352926170

if u have the resources, i suggest u fight it with everything you've got...with electronic records these days it wont take much for your PO to connect the dots if this results in a conviction

I am simply going to be honest with my PO and do everything I can not to get a conviction. I mean they were ready to let me off on time served with less than a day I think I can get a reduction to some sort of violation. If not ill fight it the police didn't find it on me some douche claimed it to be mine

<strike> Sittin and starin out of the hotel window.</strike> hiding inside a shady-club bathroom!
Got a tip they're gonna kick the door in again
Id like to get some <strike> sleep</strike> kitties before I travel,
But if you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in.

@Robert_Zimmerman said:

@Herbdacious said:

I am simply going to be honest with my PO and do everything I can not to get a conviction. I mean they were ready to let me off on time served with less than a day I think I can get a reduction to some sort of violation. If not ill fight it the police didn't find it on me some douche claimed it to be mine

I mean all this in the nicest way possible. You say earlier you didn't flush it because it wasn't all yours. Well you lost it all anyway. If I gave you a bag to go do and you flushed it to avoid getting arrested, I would ask you to pay me what it was worth and that would be the end of it. I don't know what this guy was like.

Also, you say you're going to fight it by saying it's not yours and the douche bouncer claims it's yours. The douche bouncer was technically just doing his job, and although it likely won't matter or ever come up, you straight up admitted guilt in this thread. The bouncer or legal presence involved some how see it or catch wind of it, that's probably cause to use the means to match your username with your real identity.

I raged my tits off in NYC. I even went a little overboard. But I didn't get crazy in public. When situations happen in public the cops get involved. When situations happen in your hotel it's a funny story. It's over, it's done, deal with it and learn from your mistakes.

OK as for not flushing it because it wasn't mine. It was a split second decision, under ALOT of pressure. I just didn't know what to do so i figured hell it's just a folded up dollar bill with such a small amount it could almost be considered residue. I'm simply going to be kicked out of here. I stuck it in my small pocket. I didn't think i would be searched, nor do I understand why I consented to them searching me. Simply because I thought worst case scenario would be me getting kicked out not ratted out to the police. I was trying to be compliant with the bouncer. But had I not been under so much pressure and had a second to think I would have flushed it or hid it better.

You don't think I wouldn't love to simply take time served and plead guilty? Sure I would. But my lawyer said we just need to get a reduction in the charges. I am just listening to her. Trust me I think 20 hours incarcerated is a pretty nice sounding sentence for criminal possession of a controlled substance. But it's not an option because that's a probation violation. Meaning I'll have to either do like 30 days in jail for violating, or just max out at 5 months.

I can't stress enough how I was not crazy in public at all. I thought I was practicing discretion going to a bathroom stall to do one line. That was the only line all night. Like I said. It was 10 dollars worth. I didn't take my sweet ass time in their either, I was trying to GTFO. I was not drunk. I drank one beer in MSG and did no other drugs at all. By this time in the night I had had a couple beers, but it was also close to 7 AM. I prolly had about 6-7 beers total from the show to this time. The K didn't f*** me up instantly, or effect my judgement in the situation. I was absolutely polite and compliant with the bouncers, and walked out completely peacefully thinking that was going to be it. When the handcuffs were getting put on I was starting to come up on the K and just talking to the officer trying to talk him into throwing it away while apologizing and stating I was on probation and simply wanted to catch my train home. He was very nice as well assuring me that I would be ROR'd the next day. There was nothing crazy going on, I really don't know why I was targeted, because I heard people doing lines in the bathroom multiple times that day. It's not like I went outside and couldn't walk cuz I was too K rocked or something. It's not like I was rude, acted intoxicated, or disrespectful to anybody. I had a long conversation with the officer at the precinct. He was very respectful to me as was I. Hell he called it a "victimless crime" and was concerned about how I was feeling that night as well as in the morning and let me smoke in my cell.

As for fighting it I am just going to do what my lawyer says. If they drop it to some violation like discon (which is highly likely seeing as though their first offer was time served (less than a day), then I will gladly plead guilty. If my lawyer thinks it can be won in trial I will try it. I don't know how much powder they need to test a sample.... but if it's something like a 1/10, or 1/20 of a gram to test, then I don't even know if they have enough for one test, meaning if they test it for cocaine it will clearly be negative. Then there'll be no powder. I am just going to listen to my lawyer. I have a record and am on probation, and was offered a one day sentence, and then was Ror'd so clearly it's not that big a deal to them.

As far as admitting guilt on here, unless someone rats me out like the bouncer I doubt anyone involved will be on Phish.net. And I am not "Guilty". Sure I broke the law. But I should be free to put whatever into my own body as I want, as long as I am not harming others or causing a scene, which I was not. I did a very small amount of K in the bathroom stall. If anything I don't understand why bouncers were peeking through the cracks at what I was doing in the bathroom. I find that wrong. Or why they thought they could intimidate me into a search because I really felt threatened and that is why I consented. They can kick me out for no reason at all and I will not complain. There's no reason to. I just felt very violated and that the situation was blown out of proportion.

I listened to the IT Waves> Bowie in the creature comforts of a nice house my only time k rocked. it was great. tough story man, i hope for the best.

@Herbdacious said:

@Robert_Zimmerman said:

@Herbdacious said:

I am simply going to be honest with my PO and do everything I can not to get a conviction. I mean they were ready to let me off on time served with less than a day I think I can get a reduction to some sort of violation. If not ill fight it the police didn't find it on me some douche claimed it to be mine

I mean all this in the nicest way possible. You say earlier you didn't flush it because it wasn't all yours. Well you lost it all anyway. If I gave you a bag to go do and you flushed it to avoid getting arrested, I would ask you to pay me what it was worth and that would be the end of it. I don't know what this guy was like.

Also, you say you're going to fight it by saying it's not yours and the douche bouncer claims it's yours. The douche bouncer was technically just doing his job, and although it likely won't matter or ever come up, you straight up admitted guilt in this thread. The bouncer or legal presence involved some how see it or catch wind of it, that's probably cause to use the means to match your username with your real identity.

I raged my tits off in NYC. I even went a little overboard. But I didn't get crazy in public. When situations happen in public the cops get involved. When situations happen in your hotel it's a funny story. It's over, it's done, deal with it and learn from your mistakes.

OK as for not flushing it because it wasn't mine. It was a split second decision, under ALOT of pressure. I just didn't know what to do so i figured hell it's just a folded up dollar bill with such a small amount it could almost be considered residue. I'm simply going to be kicked out of here. I stuck it in my small pocket. I didn't think i would be searched, nor do I understand why I consented to them searching me. Simply because I thought worst case scenario would be me getting kicked out not ratted out to the police. I was trying to be compliant with the bouncer. But had I not been under so much pressure and had a second to think I would have flushed it or hid it better.

You don't think I wouldn't love to simply take time served and plead guilty? Sure I would. But my lawyer said we just need to get a reduction in the charges. I am just listening to her. Trust me I think 20 hours incarcerated is a pretty nice sounding sentence for criminal possession of a controlled substance. But it's not an option because that's a probation violation. Meaning I'll have to either do like 30 days in jail for violating, or just max out at 5 months.

I can't stress enough how I was not crazy in public at all. I thought I was practicing discretion going to a bathroom stall to do one line. That was the only line all night. Like I said. It was 10 dollars worth. I didn't take my sweet ass time in their either, I was trying to GTFO. I was not drunk. I drank one beer in MSG and did no other drugs at all. By this time in the night I had had a couple beers, but it was also close to 7 AM. I prolly had about 6-7 beers total from the show to this time. The K didn't f*** me up instantly, or effect my judgement in the situation. I was absolutely polite and compliant with the bouncers, and walked out completely peacefully thinking that was going to be it. When the handcuffs were getting put on I was starting to come up on the K and just talking to the officer trying to talk him into throwing it away while apologizing and stating I was on probation and simply wanted to catch my train home. He was very nice as well assuring me that I would be ROR'd the next day. There was nothing crazy going on, I really don't know why I was targeted, because I heard people doing lines in the bathroom multiple times that day. It's not like I went outside and couldn't walk cuz I was too K rocked or something. It's not like I was rude, acted intoxicated, or disrespectful to anybody. I had a long conversation with the officer at the precinct. He was very respectful to me as was I. Hell he called it a "victimless crime" and was concerned about how I was feeling that night as well as in the morning and let me smoke in my cell.

As for fighting it I am just going to do what my lawyer says. If they drop it to some violation like discon (which is highly likely seeing as though their first offer was time served (less than a day), then I will gladly plead guilty. If my lawyer thinks it can be won in trial I will try it. I don't know how much powder they need to test a sample.... but if it's something like a 1/10, or 1/20 of a gram to test, then I don't even know if they have enough for one test, meaning if they test it for cocaine it will clearly be negative. Then there'll be no powder. I am just going to listen to my lawyer. I have a record and am on probation, and was offered a one day sentence, and then was Ror'd so clearly it's not that big a deal to them.

As far as admitting guilt on here, unless someone rats me out like the bouncer I doubt anyone involved will be on Phish.net. And I am not "Guilty". Sure I broke the law. But I should be free to put whatever into my own body as I want, as long as I am not harming others or causing a scene, which I was not. I did a very small amount of K in the bathroom stall. If anything I don't understand why bouncers were peeking through the cracks at what I was doing in the bathroom. I find that wrong. Or why they thought they could intimidate me into a search because I really felt threatened and that is why I consented. They can kick me out for no reason at all and I will not complain. There's no reason to. I just felt very violated and that the situation was blown out of proportion.

I understand dude, really. I was just giving you my perspective, which is a lot easier since I was introduced to the situation via a story and had time to think how I would have responded. You were introduced to the situation by being yelled at by a bouncer. Hindsight is 20/20. I'm 100% with you on the "I should be able to put what I want into my body" argument. However, that is not the world we live in. In fact, ironically enough, more than one of the aspects involving consumption and methods of doing so in your story are very similar to the aspects of my YEMSG story, so I'm not judging. To keep from incriminating myself I'll remain vague, but shit happens man. Move on, use more discretion next time. That's all. Don't rage when the Man is at the window.

@Robert_Zimmerman

Sorry if I came off like a dick there. I realized you weren't exactly trying to be offensive or anything. I was just simply sharing this story because I felt it was semi-interesting and slightly appalling. Just the fact that these guys would peek at me in a private bathroom stall. And intimidate me into letting them search me, as opposed to just kicking me out. Because I honestly did feel threatened, and acted very obedient during the confrontation. I don't think it's right to intimidate people into letting them violate your rights, because he had no right to peek at me in the bathroom, because I actually was pissing right after and he was watching, and still screaming at me. Nor does anyone have a right to search me through means of fear and force. And I am just frustrated in general with the consensus that I must have been out of control or crazy and disrespectful and immature as well as stupid. In hindsight I feel stupid for not flushing it, but I didn't have the money to pay the kid back and would have felt bad, I didn't know him like that. I just believe very much so in rights, and those bouncers violated mine, I let them, but I felt fear of a violent confrontation. I should have been kicked out without reason. They can kick me out for nothing so why do you need to force a search on me as well. Especially when I was submissive and bought into their psychological power trip. Idk. I just hope I'm not f'd on probation I'm starting a new job Monday, and outpatient Tuesday... my resolution is to never drink again (not because of that night at all drinking had nothing to do with it). And I just don't wanna lose the job. Hell maxing out on my probation in a simple 5 months sounds borderline appealing, but I have bills to pay. And It's impossible to get a decent full-time job where I'm from. Especially at a trade like welding that I'm not that experienced with, so this is the opportunity to gain the experience. Sooooo.....

Shit.

If i flushed, if I wasn't an idiot.... if if was a 5th we'd all be drunk.

To be a Monday morning quarterback with all the answers, OP shit happens for a reason. Learn from it and move on, be thankful you weren't in the bathroom with a teener and transsexual.

@Herbdacious said:

And I am not "Guilty". Sure I broke the law. But I should be free to put whatever into my own body as I want...

Your are so precious, I wanna just eat you up.

Seriously though, stop. Just, just stop.