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hey guys,hard to say why exactly, but lately I've been diggin the really sloppy and dark stuff:. coventry (sorry if this is a sore subject), las vegas 04, 7/5/98.
the contrast of the brightness of phish figuratively (and lyrically) and the thrash that results from high emotions, being f***'d up and/or despondent, is incredibly interesting.
any recommendations are welcome, hit me with the sloppiest.
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my condolences go out the the family of @barefootbob. I never knew him, but he sure does sound like a great man.
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This is a good show, actually. Halley's -> Tweezer is very good. Piper -> Frankenstein is also very good. Amazing Pebbles and Marbles. Really cool YEMeastickprise mashup. Plus the only Wolfman's encore - ever. And a really, really rockin Ghost!
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Count me in...I absolutely love the dark, "sloppy" opiate drenched noodling of 2004 myself. I don't know why...maybe its because my brain fills in the blanks half the time, but there's a raw "tragic energy" there that appeals to me. (Probably explains why I love '82-'84 Dead so much too). This show gets knocked all the time, and rightfully so I guess. But I like it, particularly the aimless meandering Stash.
But I am pretty weird I guess...
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You'll be hard pressed to find a sloppier show than 7/12/96 from Amsterdam. Many of the songs are simply unfinished, as well as sloppy and poorly played. Seems the boys enjoyed all that Amsterdam has to offer so much so that they really couldn't play most of their stuff. Very different from the '04 variety of "sloppy."
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drunk phish
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@Dog_Faced_Boy said: You'll be hard pressed to find a sloppier show than 7/12/96 from Amsterdam. Many of the songs are simply unfinished, as well as sloppy and poorly played. Seems the boys enjoyed all that Amsterdam has to offer so much so that they really couldn't play most of their stuff. Very different from the '04 variety of "sloppy."check'd this out.
this is great, good call.
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3 words...12/30/11 Axilla Intro.... just Trey though
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@WGphan92 said: 3 words...Exactly what I came here to say
12/30/11 Axilla Intro.... just Trey though
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Then you will love 2/22/03 especially bathtub gin ending.
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@steamstash said: @_________________________ said:You haven't heard this one...get ye to the spreadsheet. old SBD still circulates from there:1993-02-20sounds interesting!
drunk phish
SET I: http://www.mediafire.com/?xmzmzyucwzm
SET II: http://www.mediafire.com/?h3jjkmxmtzm
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Good-yet-sloppy Phish immediately brings summer '99 to mind. I don't think there's another tour out there that I've 180-ed on nearly as much as that one. At the seven shows I saw, I constantly varied between worrying about how much sloppier they sounded on composed sections than in any previous Phish era, but at the same time, their newfound ethereal jamming style in gems like the 7/10/99 Chalk Dust blew my mind.Over the next five years, as they got sloppier and sloppier, and as the personal issues mounted within the band, my opinion of that '99-00 era soured. Because downloading shows and burning them to CD was replacing the XLIIs, B&P trading model, and because the new process took a long time, the shows I'd listen to were mostly from the golden age of '91-98 and the LivePhish.com soundboards of 2.0. Why would I waste my time with inferior AUDs of two inferior Phish years?
Once they came back four years ago, the excitement of all things Phish came back into my life (and really hasn't left), as well as a little resource called THE SPREADSHEET. Because we now live in an era of quick downloading and cheap data storage, back around the first year or two of the 3.0 era, I decided to add every show I've seen to an iTunes playlist, and listen to those shows in order. When I reached '99, I was blown away. Yes, there's a decent amount of slop contained within, but not nearly to the show-ruining extent I remembered. But I could not get over how many jams approached the level of the Camden Chalk Dust: the druggy delight of the MPP Free> WTU? and the Camden Tweezer, the utter epicness of the Oswego DWD, Jim, and Piper and the Toronto Ghost and Misty Mountain Hop (my choice when I guest hosted the last Mystery Jam Monday of 2012 -- don't overlook this one!), the sublimity of the Star Lake Simple> MLT (after pimping the shit out of the MLT for the last two years and then seeing it on "So Inclined" in a starring role, I kind of feel like a proud father), and the magic that is Polaris set two (Ghost! Birds!).
Sadly, while there were brief moments of inspiration contained within, the Nassau/Albany run and Rochester show I caught later that year were as mediocre as I remembered them being, which skewed my opinion of both legs of the '99 fall tour. But other shows and jams within those two tours have equally surprised me, to the point where I now consider 1999 to be a fine, fine year of Phish, slop and all.
Well, this turned out to be longer than I originally intended. Here's the TL;DR: check out these highlights of the shows I caught in the summer of the greatest "Sloppy Phish" year of 1999:
- 7/9/99 MPP: Free > What's The Use?
- 7/10/99 Camden: Chalk Dust Torture, Tweezer
- 7/17/99 Oswego: Down With Disease
- 7/18/99 Oswego: Runaway Jim, Piper
- 7/20/99 Toronto: Ghost, Misty Mountain Hop
- 7/21/99 Star Lake: Simple -> My Left Toe
- 7/23/99 Polaris: Ghost -> Free > Birds Of A Feather
Other summer '99 highlights not to be missed:
- 7/4/99 Atlanta: Ghost -> Slave To The Traffic Light
- 7/8/99 VA Beach: Fee
- 7/13/99 Great Woods: Halley's Comet -> Roses Are Free -> NO2
- 7/15/99 PNC: Split Open And Melt -> Kung -> Jam
- 7/24/99 Alpine: Fluffhead
- 7/25/99 Deer Creek: My Friend, My Friend -> My Left Toe -> Whipping Post, Birds Of A Feather
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Great post on the summer of 99 - I love that Camden Tweezer and I certainly would not call that show sloppy but I love the reflections on those two years. I completely agree and relate. I did the same thing when 3.0 started back up again and revisited the shows I saw right before the first hiatus. If you want sloppy from that era, check out the Camden shows from the next year 7/3/00 and 7/4/00. I can attest that the scene was WAY out of control and sloppy is what you will find here. I recall not loving these shows at the time, but listening back, I am struck by the energy coming through the recording. Particularly the DWD opener on the 3rd. That sucker peaks several times and the crowd is in a frenzy. Great stuff there. And I think I actually hated the Jim at the time, but when you hear it now, it's really creative and intense. Interesting posts - I respect your desire for the struggles. Sometimes you find gems in there.
Dosque
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Sloppy!?KMAYFT!
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@TwiceBitten said: @steamstash said:Just downloaded for my flight back to Denver. Thank you very much=)@_________________________ said:You haven't heard this one...get ye to the spreadsheet. old SBD still circulates from there:1993-02-20sounds interesting!
drunk phish
SET I: http://www.mediafire.com/?xmzmzyucwzm
SET II: http://www.mediafire.com/?h3jjkmxmtzm
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king marvin arranges yellow flowers thoroughly?
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@frump said: @cactoid said:I'll let Trey answer this one (at the 2:53 mark):Sloppy!?what does this mean?
KMAYFT!
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lol thanks, but i prefer'd my acronym code-breaking@cactoid thank you for these kind and wise words.
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hey, I was making a joke there killer
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I guess Brad Sands -1'd Trey too after that one.
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In all seriousness though, was not trying to say anything against you at all, and think this is a cool and worthwhile topic of discussion.
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@cactoid said: In all seriousness though, was not trying to say anything against you at all, and think this is a cool and worthwhile topic of discussion.no worries, i got brad sands'd, it happens.
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7/23/99 Polaris: Ghost -> Free > Birds Of A Feather@bl002e, this is sloppy as hell, and in the best possible way.
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@MJZ1974 said: Count me in...I absolutely love the dark, "sloppy" opiate drenched noodling of 2004 myself. I don't know why...maybe its because my brain fills in the blanks half the time, but there's a raw "tragic energy" there that appeals to me. (Probably explains why I love '82-'84 Dead so much too).
This show gets knocked all the time, and rightfully so I guess. But I like it, particularly the aimless meandering Stash.
But I am pretty weird I guess...
2004-08-09
::woah::
some seriously sloppy stuff
i love the page slop in that gin.
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@bl002e said: Good-yet-sloppy Phish immediately brings summer '99 to mind. I don't think there's another tour out there that I've 180-ed on nearly as much as that one. At the seven shows I saw, I constantly varied between worrying about how much sloppier they sounded on composed sections than in any previous Phish era, but at the same time, their newfound ethereal jamming style in gems like the 7/10/99 Chalk Dust blew my mind.Good call. I came here to specifically mention the Alpine show, having just revisited it this week. A sloppy, loose good time. Look at that encore!
Over the next five years, as they got sloppier and sloppier, and as the personal issues mounted within the band, my opinion of that '99-00 era soured. Because downloading shows and burning them to CD was replacing the XLIIs, B&P trading model, and because the new process took a long time, the shows I'd listen to were mostly from the golden age of '91-98 and the LivePhish.com soundboards of 2.0. Why would I waste my time with inferior AUDs of two inferior Phish years?
Once they came back four years ago, the excitement of all things Phish came back into my life (and really hasn't left), as well as a little resource called THE SPREADSHEET. Because we now live in an era of quick downloading and cheap data storage, back around the first year or two of the 3.0 era, I decided to add every show I've seen to an iTunes playlist, and listen to those shows in order. When I reached '99, I was blown away. Yes, there's a decent amount of slop contained within, but not nearly to the show-ruining extent I remembered. But I could not get over how many jams approached the level of the Camden Chalk Dust: the druggy delight of the MPP Free> WTU? and the Camden Tweezer, the utter epicness of the Oswego DWD, Jim, and Piper and the Toronto Ghost and Misty Mountain Hop (my choice when I guest hosted the last Mystery Jam Monday of 2012 -- don't overlook this one!), the sublimity of the Star Lake Simple> MLT (after pimping the shit out of the MLT for the last two years and then seeing it on "So Inclined" in a starring role, I kind of feel like a proud father), and the magic that is Polaris set two (Ghost! Birds!).
Sadly, while there were brief moments of inspiration contained within, the Nassau/Albany run and Rochester show I caught later that year were as mediocre as I remembered them being, which skewed my opinion of both legs of the '99 fall tour. But other shows and jams within those two tours have equally surprised me, to the point where I now consider 1999 to be a fine, fine year of Phish, slop and all.
Well, this turned out to be longer than I originally intended. Here's the TL;DR: check out these highlights of the shows I caught in the summer of the greatest "Sloppy Phish" year of 1999:
- 7/9/99 MPP: Free > What's The Use?
- 7/10/99 Camden: Chalk Dust Torture, Tweezer
- 7/17/99 Oswego: Down With Disease
- 7/18/99 Oswego: Runaway Jim, Piper
- 7/20/99 Toronto: Ghost, Misty Mountain Hop
- 7/21/99 Star Lake: Simple -> My Left Toe
- 7/23/99 Polaris: Ghost -> Free > Birds Of A Feather
Other summer '99 highlights not to be missed:
- 7/4/99 Atlanta: Ghost -> Slave To The Traffic Light
- 7/8/99 VA Beach: Fee
- 7/13/99 Great Woods: Halley's Comet -> Roses Are Free -> NO2
- 7/15/99 PNC: Split Open And Melt -> Kung -> Jam
- 7/24/99 Alpine: Fluffhead
- 7/25/99 Deer Creek: My Friend, My Friend -> My Left Toe -> Whipping Post, Birds Of A Feather
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@joe_b said: 1 2004-06-19I haven't heard this one, but the Notes made me LOL.
2000 is when I REALLY started to get into Phish with a passion. At the time, I didn't quite realize that their playing was comparatively sloppy. Well, I do remember wishing that they would play with the ferocity that they had in '94, and never having my wish fulfilled.
I tend not to like sloppy Phish... but next time I encounter it, I'll try to approach it with the perspective that was described in this thread. I might hear it differently.
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@frump said: 7/23/99 Polaris: Ghost -> Free > Birds Of A FeatherThat Free got very tribal. It is my favorite version ever. The way that the rain poured down just added to the electricity. I listen to that version of Free all the time. It was so powerful and the band played to the weather... It was special.
@bl002e, this is sloppy as hell, and in the best possible way.
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I hate to bump this thread back up but I'm listening to 4-3-98 and so far this show should really be on this list here. It's an official live release so you get great audio for Trey just flat out forgeting words in NICU and absolutely BUTCHERING the ever living SHIT out of a Sloth (to the point it sounds like they might just abort it 3 minutes in).I was at this show and don't remember the flubs were this blatant. It must pick up a bunch...I'm only 5 songs in on the Stash, cause I remember this show blowing my mind and melting my face.
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^EDITYeah Bro, sorry...I was at both of them, and I think that this show picks up...
Trey on Opiates is like a hot chick you don't want to hear talk...the beauty was in the guitar and his creativity, not his ability to remember lyrics or stay focused.
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TWIST
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^ u got that right. one of my fav versions.
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@frump, I'm listening to the 4-3-98 show now...and it's also a little sloppy...4/2/98 was much worse...Rocky top was butchered by Mike but the rest of the guys jump in and sing with/for him. The closing Guyute JAM is great...but the composed sections are sloppy...Like a fat chick at Woodstock 2 in the mud pit....
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