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IMO 8/31 Undermind, just so goddamn good. There's a few more that come to mind, but that's one for sure.
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Arguably Sand and Rock and Roll.
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Best ever Carini on 12/30/12.Best ever Light on 9/1/12.
Best Limb might be 8/28/12.
The Sand from 9/2/12 is certainly in the Top 5 Sands of all time, but I think the greatest Sand of all time is either 12/13/99 and 12/31/99.
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Fly Like an Eagle
Garden Party
Garden Party
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One of the versions of Light has to be the best. Dick's? BGCA? One of the two, probably.
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@IntoYesterday said: Fly Like an Eagle..and we have our 1st smartass of the thread, ha.
Garden Party
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Best Golden Age is probably 7/3/12 too, a hair over the Superball version.
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@cjfphan21 said: Arguably Sand and Rock and Roll.I would argue that the best Rock and Roll ever was 8/5/11.
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@DriedupGoliath said: Best ever Carini on 12/30/12.Not even my favorite of '12. I would say 6/7 is in the running for best Carini ever.
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The first Carini was the greatest ever
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Most dynamic Sand for sure, and best ever depends on your taste for 99/00 style jams. RE Dicks3
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@DriedupGoliath said: Best ever Carini on 12/30/12.Sign'd. Limb By Limb has a few really great type II versions (a Dec. '99 comes to mind however I am drawing a blank on the date).
Best ever Light on 9/1/12.
Best Limb might be 8/28/12.
The Sand from 9/2/12 is certainly in the Top 5 Sands of all time, but I think the greatest Sand of all time is either 12/13/99 and 12/31/99.
I don't think Carin and Light cna even be argued though. Both transcend and previous versions.
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@TwiceBitten said: Most dynamic Sand for sure, and best ever depends on your taste for 99/00 style jams.It's certainly the Sand that goes the deepest (although the Quad Topplings out of Sand during Cypress goes very deep, I suppose.
RE Dicks3
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@bostonron said: @DriedupGoliath said:I honestly think the best LxL is 8/16/97 or 6/29/00, with 8/28/12 not far behind. I think you're probably talking about the 16 minute LxL from 12/3/99, which is good, but a bit disjointed, imo.Best ever Carini on 12/30/12.Sign'd. Limb By Limb has a few really great type II versions (a Dec. '99 comes to mind however I am drawing a blank on the date).
Best ever Light on 9/1/12.
Best Limb might be 8/28/12.
The Sand from 9/2/12 is certainly in the Top 5 Sands of all time, but I think the greatest Sand of all time is either 12/13/99 and 12/31/99.
I don't think Carin and Light cna even be argued though. Both transcend and previous versions.
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@DriedupGoliath said: @bostonron said:I really, really like 11.2.98 LxL too. Maybe not quite best ever, but a top contender for sure.@DriedupGoliath said:I honestly think the best LxL is 8/16/97 or 6/29/00, with 8/28/12 not far behind. I think you're probably talking about the 16 minute LxL from 12/3/99, which is good, but a bit disjointed, imo.Best ever Carini on 12/30/12.Sign'd. Limb By Limb has a few really great type II versions (a Dec. '99 comes to mind however I am drawing a blank on the date).
Best ever Light on 9/1/12.
Best Limb might be 8/28/12.
The Sand from 9/2/12 is certainly in the Top 5 Sands of all time, but I think the greatest Sand of all time is either 12/13/99 and 12/31/99.
I don't think Carin and Light cna even be argued though. Both transcend and previous versions.
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Light, Caspian, Undermind at Dick's.
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This was a pretty damn good year of Phish with several jams that are in the conversation for best ever, if not out-right top version. I would say this was definitely the best year for Carini overall, but 2/17/97 or 12/28/98 may still hold the throne.
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The DCU Boogie, SPAC Sally are my favorites of all time although I recognize there are other versions which others would rate higher.
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Half the songs mentioned have only been played in 3.0edit; just realized this was 2012 and not just 2.0. Carry on
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Sugar shack msg.
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Both the Piper and the If I Could from Spac are right up there
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@Abrahm Which is valid seeing as this is best ofs out of 2012 and not 3.0
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@bostonron @driedupgoliath 7/6/98 LxL deserves to be in that discussion as well. The raw energy in that peak definitely tops that of 8/28/12 IMO
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@DriedupGoliath said:
@cjfphan21 said:And you would be correct.Arguably Sand and Rock and Roll.I would argue that the best Rock and Roll ever was 8/5/11.
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@phisher131 said: Both the Piper and the If I Could from Spac are right up thereIf I Could from DCU > > > than SPAC. I gave that and some other versions a bunch of close listens right after that, and its certainly in contention. Hard to displace 7/1/1995. Hard to even compare though, as DCU remains a beautiful, delicate If I Could, while 7/1/1995 morphs into raging phish-energy rock and roll (granted, within the structure of the song.)
I think Undermind is one I would definitely choose, were I wont to declare "best evers". Which I am decidedly not.
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@ProfPhan said: @DriedupGoliath said:Though I agree, I have heard opinions state otherwise and...@cjfphan21 said:And you would be correct.Arguably Sand and Rock and Roll.I would argue that the best Rock and Roll ever was 8/5/11.
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Any song played in 2012 can be considered the best ever if you feel like it is.Serious answer: 8/31 Undermind, obvs. 8/31 Chalkdust could be up there too; I like it better than the 7/13/99 version, but that's probably not a majority opinion. Take your pick of the Dick's or BGCA Light as best ever. I would even nominate the Riverbend Twist as the best ever of that song.
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@n00b100 I thought you were all about Fukuoka. You prefer Riverbend?
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@DriedupGoliath said: @TwiceBitten said:IMO, Camden '09 deserves to be in that conversation. Although I think that is a pretty divisive version, as many people aren't that fond of it.Most dynamic Sand for sure, and best ever depends on your taste for 99/00 style jams.It's certainly the Sand that goes the deepest (although the Quad Topplings out of Sand during Cypress goes very deep, I suppose.
RE Dicks3
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I'm just having a hard time putting any Sand that didn't come out of those incredible Dec. '99 versions as a "best ever". I guess it comes down to preferance, but IMO, Sand peaked that tour. Sure, there have been some really great Sands since, but those spaceship Sands that tour are, to me, exactly what Sand is about.
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NYE Kung... I mean, we actually got the runaway golf cart marathon!
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@bostonron said: I'm just having a hard time putting any Sand that didn't come out of those incredible Dec. '99 versions as a "best ever". I guess it comes down to preferance, but IMO, Sand peaked that tour. Sure, there have been some really great Sands since, but those spaceship Sands that tour are, to me, exactly what Sand is about.Raleigh. 1999.12.16. Woah.
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@n00b100 said:
Any song played in 2012 can be considered the best ever if you feel like it is.you mean 7/10/99 for chalkdust and yeah that is the best one imo. I definitely think dicks sand was the best i've heard and probably my favorite jam of the year. 12/30 carini is in 2nd place and my favorite carini.
Serious answer: 8/31 Undermind, obvs. 8/31 Chalkdust could be up there too; I like it better than the 7/13/99 version, but that's probably not a majority opinion. Take your pick of the Dick's or BGCA Light as best ever. I would even nominate the Riverbend Twist as the best ever of that song.
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@Mr_Incompletely said: The first Carini was the greatest everThis is so on point. The 1st time they played it in Amsterdam in 1997 was mind blowing. 12/30/12 version was good but not even close to 2/17/1997.
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@mfhgreyboy said: @bostonron said:Hell yeah! That Raleigh show in general is sick. Providence and Portland are among my faves too. Obviously, Cypress is in this conversation.I'm just having a hard time putting any Sand that didn't come out of those incredible Dec. '99 versions as a "best ever". I guess it comes down to preferance, but IMO, Sand peaked that tour. Sure, there have been some really great Sands since, but those spaceship Sands that tour are, to me, exactly what Sand is about.Raleigh. 1999.12.16. Woah.
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@bostonron said: @mfhgreyboy said:Yup, just adding one that hadn't been mentioned. We are on the same page with this one. I mentioned Camden '09 only as an example of a Sand that goes "deep." I do prefer December '99 versions as a matter of personal preference.@bostonron said:Hell yeah! That Raleigh show in general is sick. Providence and Portland are among my faves too. Obviously, Cypress is in this conversation.I'm just having a hard time putting any Sand that didn't come out of those incredible Dec. '99 versions as a "best ever". I guess it comes down to preferance, but IMO, Sand peaked that tour. Sure, there have been some really great Sands since, but those spaceship Sands that tour are, to me, exactly what Sand is about.Raleigh. 1999.12.16. Woah.
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8/28/12 LxL is for me, I'd argue that 8/15/11 Undermined is better than Dick's, but both are incredible.
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what about bill graham sneakin sally ? im not up on my sally history but this one is so triumphant
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HAHAHAHA nobody said the best ever yet...... LAWNBOY... you guys are silly.. this nYe was the best ever lawn boy.... NUFFSAID
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Dicks Sand. Worcester boogie
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@purple_humpback_whale said what I came here to say.
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msg disease. maybe not best ever, but the jam out of this song is just brilliant to my ears. sounds like have had it composed and practiced for years
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@sawitagain87 said: @Mr_Incompletely said:That jam is great, yes, but I really feel like that's a disease with a Carini jam. The Carini is so raw and unfinished, barely feels like Carini.The first Carini was the greatest everThis is so on point. The 1st time they played it in Amsterdam in 1997 was mind blowing. 12/30/12 version was good but not even close to 2/17/1997.
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6/7 as best ever Torn and Frayed and Nothing.7/8 best ever Kill Devil Falls
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@smuggs said: what about bill graham sneakin sally ? im not up on my sally history but this one is so triumphant12/30/97 was a bit more triumphant...
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@atkins450 said: 6/7 as best ever Torn and Frayed and Nothing.I'd say the 6/12/09 KDF is better.
7/8 best ever Kill Devil Falls
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@forbin1 said: @smuggs said:Best Sally has to be 8/7/09, or possibly 6/4/11.what about bill graham sneakin sally ? im not up on my sally history but this one is so triumphant12/30/97 was a bit more triumphant...
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To my ears:-8/31/12 Chalk Dust doesn't even come close to touching 7/10/99. Just no.
-8/8/98 and 10/31/98 are both significantly better than BGCA Sally (taken as standalone jams).
-Riverbend Twist doesn't come close to Island Tour or Fukuoka.
-I'm coming around on the Long Beach RnR. For a while in August I thought 8/5/11 was better, but LB is growing on me. I think it might be the better jam, despite the absolute filth that is the segue into Meatstick.
-I might be willing to call the DCU Boogie On best ever. Chula Vista '99 is a great jam, just so much different that it's hard to call one better than the other.
I don't know. This is obviously all subjective, and it is pretty cool that the best jams in 2012 were good enough to even prompt this discussion.
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came in again to say 8/8/98 Sally is a real winner, but it looks like it just got name checked above. Great show overall with a really interesting setlist:off topic, I know
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@westbrook said: @n00b100 I thought you were all about Fukuoka. You prefer Riverbend?I'm not sure, honestly. As a part of the set it's in, the Fukuoka Twist has it beat quite handily. As an actual stand-alone jam? It's a more interesting debate. I would still go with Fukuoka, but it's not open and shut. I do think the Riverbend Twist is better than the Island Tour or Cypress's versions.
I think of these best show/jam debates like how you're instructed to pitch onto the green in golf - no instructor worth a damn would tell you to go for the cup, but just to aim for a general part of the green you feel safe putting from. Same general principle here, only this time the cup doesn't exist. So all we can do is hit our shots close to where the cup might be. YMMV (see @chris200w's post), but I think all the 2012 jams I mentioned (as well as the 8/28 LxL, which I didn't) come close to the cup.
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