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@Phireonthemountain said: @n00b100 said:Yeah, got that date mixed up. Thank you for the correction. I would also say the Dick's Sand is the best ever. Not quite sure about the MSG Carini, though I do love it so.Any song played in 2012 can be considered the best ever if you feel like it is.you mean 7/10/99 for chalkdust and yeah that is the best one imo. I definitely think dicks sand was the best i've heard and probably my favorite jam of the year. 12/30 carini is in 2nd place and my favorite carini.
Serious answer: 8/31 Undermind, obvs. 8/31 Chalkdust could be up there too; I like it better than the 7/13/99 version, but that's probably not a majority opinion. Take your pick of the Dick's or BGCA Light as best ever. I would even nominate the Riverbend Twist as the best ever of that song.
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8/31 best Farmhouse ever FTW!
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Heavy Things, AC./not kidding
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@mfhgreyboy said: Heavy Things, AC.I love Heavy Things and am not ashamed to admit it. Yes, this one was the bomb.
/not kidding
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I agree with those before me:
Undermind (8/31)
Fee (7/1)
and my favorite version of Sand is on 7/3 Set 2...however there are more "jammed out" versions but this one is pure boogiewoogie dance fest material.
Undermind (8/31)
Fee (7/1)
and my favorite version of Sand is on 7/3 Set 2...however there are more "jammed out" versions but this one is pure boogiewoogie dance fest material.
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Chalkdust Torture from Dick's is in my top 3 CDTs, for sure. The other two being from IT and the the LivePhish 99 version.
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Dicks Undermind. Dicks Light. Worcester Carini. Dicks Sand. Worcester Boogie. Long Beach RnR.
My opinion best ever's for these songs that came out of 2012. Boogie and Sand are up in the air depending on your ear, but I was at Dicks and that Sand will forever be a favorite jam of all time for me.
My opinion best ever's for these songs that came out of 2012. Boogie and Sand are up in the air depending on your ear, but I was at Dicks and that Sand will forever be a favorite jam of all time for me.
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I'm a little surprised to see Worcester Carini get more love then MSG. While awesome, and a great, great jam MSG just seems way more evolved and progressive to me.
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^It is very layered in darkness and dirty as hell. But Carini from Worcester lifted me off to a way higher place than MSG did and I was at both. I guess its opinion but I thought the Carini from worcester was very evolved.
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@bostonron said: I'm a little surprised to see Worcester Carini get more love then MSG. While awesome, and a great, great jam MSG just seems way more evolved and progressive to me.Personally, and I know almost everyone disagrees with me, I think the Carini from MSG is getting severely overrated. For the majority of the jam it sounds like Fish doesn't know what to play, and the drums pretty much never come together except towards the end when he is playing the same, simple beat over and over again. To be sure there is about 2 minutes of totally awesome in there. I just feel that the Worcester Carini is far more consistently awesome.
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6/23 Is my favorite Mule that I have heard but there are, I am sure many great Mules that I have not heard.
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I'm pretty conservative with handing out such titles but I think there were 4 of them, all from Dick's:Undermind
Chalk Dust Torture (as an old jaded vet I was especially hesitant to hand out this title!)
Light (still not a fan of the lyrics part of this song but the jams in it have been amazing)
Sand (sorry Cypress fans)
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@Capricornio said: @bostonron said:I feel like that is the point of the jam. It's supposed to be a little "off centered". I'm sure Fish can carry a beat whenever he feels like it. Phish, when on, can transcend the "normal" restrictions of general music. MSG Carini, for me, is a perfect example of Phish taking the envelope and pushing it. When they break through and "discover" unconventional ways to make music, that's what seperates them from the pack. It was supposed to be dissonace, dissolving into "noise", which makes the build back up into that glorious, masterful jam at the end even more rewarding. They took a jam, broke it way, way down, and built it back into one of the grestest, melodic, darkest pieces of music to date.I'm a little surprised to see Worcester Carini get more love then MSG. While awesome, and a great, great jam MSG just seems way more evolved and progressive to me.Personally, and I know almost everyone disagrees with me, I think the Carini from MSG is getting severely overrated. For the majority of the jam it sounds like Fish doesn't know what to play, and the drums pretty much never come together except towards the end when he is playing the same, simple beat over and over again. To be sure there is about 2 minutes of totally awesome in there. I just feel that the Worcester Carini is far more consistently awesome.
Just my $0.02.
EDIT: to add to this, I also think much of Phishs music is about patience. Watching them, hearing them, being a part of that creative process is what makes it special. Lots of jams are pretty "average" until they (we) hit our stride and get to maybe a minute, 2, 5 or something special that couldn't exist without the previous 10 minutes of creative process.
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Long Beach Dirt intro section was the best I've heard. I haven't heard many outside 3.0 though. Anyone got any contenders there?
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@Shukky said: 6/23 Is my favorite Mule that I have heard but there are, I am sure many great Mules that I have not heard.The one that was released on Live Bait (I think the festival sampler? no idea on the date) where Trey gets on keys is probably my favorite.
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I think the term "best ever" is pretty restricting and I would be hard pressed to say whether any particular version of a song is indeed the "best," but I have some favorite versions of songs that came from this year. Seeing as Light is a new song, the list of jams to pick from is pretty short. I'd definitely rank the Dick's Light as my number 1, with BGCA being right behind it. I'd also say that the 12/30 Carini is my favorite by far right now, but that could change as I listen to some of the Carinis mentioned in this thread. As far as RnR goes, I was at both 8/5/11 and 8/15/12, and it's pretty much a tie for me. I'd give the Gorge version an edge because of the sweet segue into Meatstick.
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@n00b100, re: Undermind...I have such a vivid memory of leaning over to my girl and saying "this Undermind will be talked about as a best ever" It is such a change for what I considered best versions, then rocking rage fests from Festival 8 and AC in 2010...to a very docile and almost completely peaceful build up and execution. Where the rocking versions tend to feature Trey building up and exploding at the seems with energy that leads to straight shredding in and out of a sporadic time signature, I think that the more mellow jam and volume changes throughout the Dick's version make it so unique that it should stand out as a best version. I saw both of runs, Dicks and BGCA...Dicks was so different and special in its' own right, I really enjoyed the Bay Area but Dicks is Phish's new Holy Land. I plan on seeing a show at Deer Creek for the first time (if they play it this summer), so I don't have all the hot spots checked off my bucket list (YET!!!)...I know the venue can enhance your experience to the point of sheer bliss...so...with that...Dick's Light was just that much more special to me.
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@cjfphan21 said: @Shukky said:Dude, I don't know; I LOVE the Great Went Mule, it goes into a super jazzy jam and then the last Digital Delay Loop Jam (to date).6/23 Is my favorite Mule that I have heard but there are, I am sure many great Mules that I have not heard.The one that was released on Live Bait (I think the festival sampler? no idea on the date) where Trey gets on keys is probably my favorite.
As for Light, I don't know if I'd make it Dick's. I love Dick's, it was LONG and great; but Lake Tahoe was a scary beast (in the same kinda vein as the MSG'12 Carini) and 10/19/10 was beautiful and flowing. To me, Dick's just feels like it's straight rocking the entire time, not thematic jamming where it tells a story. That said I still love the hell out of it.
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I'd like to say that the first night of summer tour this year was the best opener show I've ever seen. The really killed it DCU night one pretty underrated show.
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@HarrisonHood said: I'd like to say that the first night of summer tour this year was the best opener show I've ever seen. The really killed it DCU night one pretty underrated show.I'm not sure that a show with an aggregate 4.6 rating over 230 votes is "underrated," but certainly a lot of great music was played between it and MSG, possibly leaving the impression of "underrated" as Dick's, BGCA and MSG garnered the most recent love.
I saw a lot of good Phish this year and Carini thru If I Could still remains one of my top sequences of the year. Love, love the Ghost -> Boogie On > If I Could.
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Long Beach RnR
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i would say for sure the undermind, light, caspian (yes, even i can compliment this tune from time to time), and sand from dick's are all best ever versions. if you want to say bgca or tahoe for light, i can't argue too hard against either of those. also, i think sand is the best that phish has played. TAB got downright silly with that song circa '01-'02. The limb from st. louis is right up there too.As for those that say carini from dick's, worcester, or msg, I'm in the amsterdam '97/debut camp. the spac piper is good, but there's a good number that i would prefer. off the top of my head, 8/8/98, shoreline '99 (9/17, right?), and spac '04 are all versions i greatly prefer.
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Bader Field - Billy BreathesBGCA - Crosseyed and Painless
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Listen y'all, I was in attendance for the Long Beach RnR and the Gorge '11 version is one of my favorite pieces of music ever created...but we seem to be overlooking the fact that the Big Cypress RnR is a juggernaut.
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BGCA Light> Dick's Light.
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Wasn't roggae from bgca worth a mention?
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7/3 Jones Beach- Skin it Back
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THE boogie on
light from bgca
rnr from long beach
light from bgca
rnr from long beach
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@TheEmperorJoker said:
But The Dick's Light is 10 minutes longer, goes through several movements and genres (storage jamming, plinko funk, hippie psychedelia dance, demonic Type II, snarling HOSE rock crescendo) and is every bit as tight.
The BGCA one is dope and very jazzy, but doesn't soar to the levels that Dick's did.
But both are some of the best music they've made since they've been back, for sure.
BGCA Light> Dick's Light.These are, without a doubt, the two best Lights that we've ever seen (errr, I guess "heard"), and they came within less than 2 weeks of each other.
But The Dick's Light is 10 minutes longer, goes through several movements and genres (storage jamming, plinko funk, hippie psychedelia dance, demonic Type II, snarling HOSE rock crescendo) and is every bit as tight.
The BGCA one is dope and very jazzy, but doesn't soar to the levels that Dick's did.
But both are some of the best music they've made since they've been back, for sure.
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Tweeprise build up in BGCA Light... nuff said.Bader Field - Billy Breathes (unlisted DEG tease towards end from Trey)
BGCA - C&P sandwich is best ever unless I am forgetting a certain version. (This blows Coral Sky away)
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These might not be the best evah, but they're legit corn tenders:
Boogie On 6/7
Carini 12/30
Chalkdust Torture 8/31
Corrina 7/6
Crosseyed & Painless 8/19
Farmhouse 7/1
Fee 7/1
Heavy Things 7/6
Kung 7/8
Light 9/1 (8/7/10 has company)
Light Up Or Leave Me Alone 7/6
Ocelot 12/30
Peaches En Regalia 7/7
Rock & Roll 8/15
Sand 9/2
Show Of Life 6/28
Torn & Frayed 6/7
Twist 6/22
Undermind 8/31
Walk Away 7/3
Wolfman's Brother 12/28 (yes, it really is as good as your fave from 1.0)
Boogie On 6/7
Carini 12/30
Chalkdust Torture 8/31
Corrina 7/6
Crosseyed & Painless 8/19
Farmhouse 7/1
Fee 7/1
Heavy Things 7/6
Kung 7/8
Light 9/1 (8/7/10 has company)
Light Up Or Leave Me Alone 7/6
Ocelot 12/30
Peaches En Regalia 7/7
Rock & Roll 8/15
Sand 9/2
Show Of Life 6/28
Torn & Frayed 6/7
Twist 6/22
Undermind 8/31
Walk Away 7/3
Wolfman's Brother 12/28 (yes, it really is as good as your fave from 1.0)
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@ledzepmaster said: Tweeprise build up in BGCA Light... nuff said.I think that both the Big Cypress and Star Lake '03 versions eclipse the BGCA Crosseyed. YMMV, though.
Bader Field - Billy Breathes (unlisted DEG tease towards end from Trey)
BGCA - C&P sandwich is best ever unless I am forgetting a certain version. (This blows Coral Sky away)
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Dick's Sand makes me feel in ways that no other form of art has ever made me feel. This song is tits on tits on tits.
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@DriedupGoliath said: @ledzepmaster said:I'll have to check out the Star Lake version. I wouldn't say the Cypress C&P beats BGCA.Tweeprise build up in BGCA Light... nuff said.I think that both the Big Cypress and Star Lake '03 versions eclipse the BGCA Crosseyed. YMMV, though.
Bader Field - Billy Breathes (unlisted DEG tease towards end from Trey)
BGCA - C&P sandwich is best ever unless I am forgetting a certain version. (This blows Coral Sky away)
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lawnboy.......
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Dick's F*ckerpants
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How about the 7/1/12 Fee at Alpine Valley? That was pretty friggin' good.
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If you count Meatstick from the 2011 NYE run - technically still part of 2012 since it was still going after midnight then - yes - that was a best ever.
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