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The opening notes to Reba start. Bam! Get stoked! Structure of song goes perfectly. On to the jam! Bam! Starts out nice and slow, gooey, and QUIET. Reba's of yester-year had this magical quietness about them that added to the beauty of that song. The band could go to amazing places without whaling on their instruments. It is truly a remarkable thing. Just when my friends and I thought we were on our way a shit-ton of glowsticks were tossed into the air. Ugh! Gross! The entire venue started cheering in praise of said glowsticks. They were cheering so load that they overwhelmed the band. I couldn't even hear the jam and neither could people on couch tour. This is UNACCEPTABLE! I get it, glow sticks are pretty when flying through the air but that added senseless cheering that goes with them can be a bit much. Then band clearly could not focus because of all the commotion so they cut the jam severely short. Fish, specifically hits the eject button on the jam. If you don't believe me go back and listen to the tape. It's there, and it is weak. Did anyone else feel this way, either at MSG or from the webcast? No more glow stick cheering!
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Of course I remember the crowd eruption, but at the time I had no idea it was glowstick related. It seemed to me, at the time, to be a sort of spontaneous release of energy. A lot of people have said that it started with glowsticks, though, so I guess I just missed it.On re-listen I hear what you hear - the band's playing was affected. But I don't know how you're going to try and stop something like that. I was like a wave, once it started there was no way people were going to take a step back and say, "I shouldn't cheer, it might bother Trey."
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I did feel the cheering got in the way and the jam was way shorter than I was expecting, but it didn't occur to me that the two were related. I'll have to watch again. Webcast, btw.
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I was at MSG and we were not cheering for damn glowsticks. There were barely any glowsticks flying through the air. Everyone started cheering when Phish continued the Reba jam and didn't cut it off super early because we barely ever get nice long jammed Reba's anymore so when they started to really get going into the jam everybody lost their shit. There was plenty of other moments with tons more glowsticks and no one cheered even slightly as loud, believe me it wasn't the glowsticks.
So basically you are saying, hey Phish, don't play that good, because if you do, people will enjoy it so much you will have to stop the jam short because you can't hear yourselves play.
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I looked at the crowd cheering as a remarkable moment. When I was in the venue, I didn't notice the glowsticks, I think most people cheered as a sense of the energy in the building. I thought it was a great moment despite cutting the jam short.
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::throws glow stick across thread::
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Btw, I was late for the show and came in during Reba. They were cheering for me, duh.
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I disagree with you, Chilly. I was pretty high up in the venue and had a good look of the entire place. There is one very specific moment when the cheering began directly after a blast of blue or green glowsticks went flying. Phish were crushing it but not in that cheer at the top of your lungs type. More in the sense that you listen to what they are doing and melt away with the groove. Reba has always been a more blissful/relaxed jam anyway. Think how you want but I know I am not alone in when I was thinking "What the hell? Shut up everyone."
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Reba ruined glowsticks.
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But really I hate both so goodbye.
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OP, were you inside MSG or watching the webcast?Edit: Nevermind... just saw your second post.
I guess my point was going to be that throughout the entire run, there were these bursts of energy out of no where. It was like nothing I have ever felt or seen in my 20 years of Phish. Like the building could power a tractor trailer with the energy that we, the fans, were bringing. So, IMO, the burst of energy during Reba had nothing to do with the weak display of glowsticks, but rather one of those magical moments that make us all go back for more. And FWIW, our energy at times like that make the band come back for more too.
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Yeah, I don't remember glowsticks being a problem. It was just a rush of energy in that building. While that Reba wasn't anything special, I wouldn't change that moment for anything. It's those moments that have me coming back to Phish year after year.
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@cupuscakus said: OP, were you inside MSG or watching the webcast?In the venue. "Neither could the people in webcast".
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Yeah...I get the energy rush thing. But I'm telling you...we saw the start of that rush and it was glowsticks. Nonetheless...phish rules. I like phish. I don't really like glowsticks.
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@jaqtothephuture said: Think how you want but I know I am not alone in when I was thinking "What the hell? Shut up everyone."Wow, that's pretty much the opposite reaction I had at the time. To me it was one of those moments where we cease to be individuals enjoying a concert and (at least I) felt such a sense of community expressing their appreciation for being there, for hearing them play, for the holidays, for finding old friends...
Christ, the more I think about this the more I realize that, to me, this was the farthest from being glow stick related.
Now, I do understand that it affected the playing, and lessens the musical replay value, but for me, I'll always think of that Reba as containing a pure Phish "moment" for me and, quite possibly, the first time I really GOT MSG.
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I too had a good view of the building (200s, behind the stage). I completely disagree with the interpretation that the glowsticks incited that wave of cheering.
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As Chris Berman would say... Let's go to the videotape:
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@projmersch said: This video clearly shows the cheers starting when the sticks went flying. Reba CheersBUT the glowsticks are tossed at a f***ing awesome moment.
/chicken or the egg
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I don't remember seeing "a shit-ton of glowsticks". The Reba jam took us immediately to its usual 'reflective' zone...and in that reflection several thousand people realized "OMG, look where we are and what we're doing, holy f***!!" and couldn't contain themselves. The energy seemed to spread from the belly of the venue all the way up to the ceiling and then back inward. It was thunderousIt did seem to interrupt the bands flow, however. Maybe they thought the outburst WAS due to a few dozen glowsticks (many of those were tossed in the air after the outburst) and so they gave us Halley's to allow us to participate (glowsticks, sing-along).
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This was awesome. I had no idea why it was happening at the time, but I remember turning to my buddy and saying "Now is a good time to dose". The rest is history..
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Yeah, the glowsticks had NOTHING to do with the crowd. They were flying at the very beginning of the jam, as they always do. But that surge was: New Years run. MSG. Phish. Reba jam. It was the moment.
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So how come there isnt a similar eruption every time anyone throws a shitload of glowsticks? Like a dozen times per show?
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I couldn't disagree more...I was in the venue and it was really a huge surge of energy because of a blast of glowsticks but the crowd was charged up. It was a Saturday Holiday Run Phish show for crying out loud! I also listened to the show again and I really wouldn't go as far as saying the Reba was ruined. It's just different...that's is the nature of this band. Why I love them. They have always embraced interaction with the crowd and this was one of those moments. Pure energy that bubble over. That's one of the downfalls of couch tour...I love a good couch tour but it is not the same as being there in the moment.
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@projmersch said: This video clearly shows the cheers starting when the sticks went flying.No. It doesn't. The sticks went flying at the very beginning of the jam. Then they toned down. The crowd erupting was long after the initial surge of sticks. Then more sticks went flying after the eruption.
Reba Cheers
Regardless, it was an awesome moment and I'm sorry you couldn't appreciate it OP.
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This was my first Reba. It was amazing seeing the crowd react to the auditory and visual greatness of the song. I was overwhelmed with happiness and just couldn't help it. Sorry that this ruined the song for you.
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Go back and listen to Reba Jams from around 93-98. You will see what I mean about this awesome quietness they have that can only be heard if people are willing to keep quite and pay attention to it. I know it's next to impossible to quiet down an entire venue but we should be wanting to hear what the band is giving us. After all...we are there for the music, right?
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It seems to me like most are being a bit too definitive. I don't think anyone, there or not, can say DEFINITIVELY the cheer began as a result of the glow sticks (maybe it did and then continued as a result of energy) or that it began out of spontaneous energy. Maybe so, maybe not. Maybe a combination. Maybe one or the other. It's done now. Can't change it. $.02. IMHO. Don't take it personally. Etc.
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I will also add....whatever...it was still an awesome run.
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Reba> MSG EnergyTease> Reba A great moment IMO
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@jaqtothephuture said: Go back and listen to Reba Jams from around 93-98. You will see what I mean about this awesome quietness they have that can only be heard if people are willing to keep quite and pay attention to it. I know it's next to impossible to quiet down an entire venue but we should be wanting to hear what the band is giving us. After all...we are there for the music, right?I go to Phish for the drugs. The music is secondary. Maybe third after smoking hot wookettes. Now that I think about it, I don't even like the music. I just don't have anything better to do.
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Glow sticks don't ruin Reba people ruin Reba
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I saw entirely too many glow sticks hit the band during that run.
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I can't believe I am saying this because I really do like couch tour when I can't make a show but all of the nitpicking that comes after a webacsted show is a downer. Next time I attend a show that's webcasted I'll make sure I shhhhssshhh people so that we can be certain that we don't disturb the viewing pleasure of the couch tourers.
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@Frizz said: I saw entirely too many glow sticks hit the band during that run.This is true. The first night was LAME. As the run wore on, I saw less.
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@chrism27 said: I can't believe I am saying this because I really do like couch tour when I can't make a show but all of the nitpicking that comes after a webacsted show is a downer. Next time I attend a show that's webcasted I'll make sure I shhhhssshhh people so that we can be certain that we don't disturb the viewing pleasure of the couch tourers.You obviously didn't read either of the OP's first two posts.
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@cupuscakus said: @Frizz said:I saw entirely too many glow sticks hit the band during that run.This is true. The first night was LAME. As the run wore on, I saw less.
I just don't get it. I mean sometimes you can tell it happens on accident but I can't tell you how many times I saw people purposely try to hit them. WHY? WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THAT SPUNIONS?
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@DanceTheJig728 said: @cupuscakus said:@bostonron and I encountered a young boy this summer (was it at SPAC?) who was doing it. Ron had a nice little talking to about it and he stopped. It might just be idiots who are trying to get the band's attention and don't know any better.@Frizz said:I just don't get it. I mean sometimes you can tell it happens on accident but I can't tell you how many times I saw people purposely try to hit them. WHY? WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THAT SPUNIONS?I saw entirely too many glow sticks hit the band during that run.This is true. The first night was LAME. As the run wore on, I saw less.
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@DanceTheJig728 said: @cupuscakus said:They really want Trey to look at them so later they can say that "Trey and me TOTALLY connected"@Frizz said:I saw entirely too many glow sticks hit the band during that run.This is true. The first night was LAME. As the run wore on, I saw less.
I just don't get it. I mean sometimes you can tell it happens on accident but I can't tell you how many times I saw people purposely try to hit them. WHY? WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THAT SPUNIONS?
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I was cheering for REBA herself. That one was for what Reba IS. that beautiful, beautiful thing that IS REBA. U know what IT IS, don't u op, ...?
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@cupuscakus said: @DanceTheJig728 said:I remember this. It was SPAC I believe. Unfortunately I've had to have these "talks" with kids a lot lately.@cupuscakus said:@bostonron and I encountered a young boy this summer (was it at SPAC?) who was doing it. Ron had a nice little talking to about it and he stopped. It might just be idiots who are trying to get the band's attention and don't know any better.@Frizz said:I just don't get it. I mean sometimes you can tell it happens on accident but I can't tell you how many times I saw people purposely try to hit them. WHY? WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THAT SPUNIONS?I saw entirely too many glow sticks hit the band during that run.This is true. The first night was LAME. As the run wore on, I saw less.
I think it's just morons who legit think it would be cool to hit the band. Like, "lets see if I can toss this glowstick 45 rows and hit Mike in the chest. Yeah, that would be f***ing AWESOME!" Nah, brah. It wouldn't be awesome. And if you hit Mike in the eye, cancelling the show and possibly tour, we're gonna have a much deeper talk on lot when I see you.
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Well I think this matter is all but settled. The OP's immense hatred for glowsticks must of overwhelmed his senses at this very moment.No one was cheering for glowsticks, it was a coincidence, we were all just really happy and it culminated in a vocal explosion once that Reba jam started gaining momentum.
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@cjfphan21 said:
All of this talk has me thinking back to some of the shows I saw in 94 where the band would sing a capella and the level of shhshhhing going on would be louder than the crowd noise that incited the shhssshing.
@chrism27 said:Yes, maybe I did skim through too quickly....but it still doesn't change my thinking. I read plenty of other posts in other threads where couch tourers were complaining about the crowd eruption during Reba and how it ruined the show. My apologies to the OP since he was there.I can't believe I am saying this because I really do like couch tour when I can't make a show but all of the nitpicking that comes after a webacsted show is a downer. Next time I attend a show that's webcasted I'll make sure I shhhhssshhh people so that we can be certain that we don't disturb the viewing pleasure of the couch tourers.You obviously didn't read either of the OP's first two posts.
All of this talk has me thinking back to some of the shows I saw in 94 where the band would sing a capella and the level of shhshhhing going on would be louder than the crowd noise that incited the shhssshing.
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Glowsticks had nothing to do with it. F that. Glowsticks are awesome....the explosion from the crowd was just a collective energy and happiness that we were all settled in and phish was playing a pretty Reba jam on stage. I Love Reba, might be my favorite jam, and would have loved to keep very quiet for the jam so the boys could get locked in but that explosion of energy was awesome, you can't deny it. Theres a time for silence and theres a time for explosions. This happened to be a time for an explosion...and everyone in the crowd knew that except for you, OP.
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I'm with you OP and wrote this the day after. It was started by that handful of bright green glowsticks shown in video above> crowd in that area cheers> more glowsticks> cheer takes over the building. It was not at the beginning of the jam. It was about two minutes into the quiet section of the jam. Those who did not see the glowsticks thrown and think it was about the music really just got caught up in a group think moment and cheered because others were cheering.@johnnyd said:
So how come there isnt a similar eruption every time anyone throws a shitload of glowsticks? Like a dozen times per show?Every time no, but you must notice that it happens a lot. It also stands out a lot more when it happens at such a quiet point like this.
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No one was cheering for glowsticks, it was a coincidence, we were all just really happy and it culminated in a vocal explosion once that Reba jam started gaining momentum.I don't know how you can watch the video linked above by @projmersch and still say that. It shows a clear connection and that the jam was still in a soft, quiet place.
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It must also be coincidence that your happy vocal explosion of Reba gaining momentum directly preceded the jam's abrupt ending. "Open and shut case, Johnson. Now sprinkle some crack on him and let's get the hell outta here."
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@jaqtothephuture said: It must also be coincidence that your happy vocal explosion of Reba gaining momentum directly preceded the jam's abrupt ending.Not really. It went on for a few minutes more before Fish cut it, but I do think that moment took it off track.
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OP stop being a whiney bitch and accept the Reba for what it was. You'll get your quiet Reba at another show. Sorry you hate glowsticks and people who cheer.
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@WookiePhart said: OP stop being a whiney bitch and accept the Reba for what it was. You'll get your quiet Reba at another show. Sorry you hate glowsticks and people who cheer.Damn. Little harsh, brah?
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