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So I went out today and got a Tube-Screamer. I am not thrilled with it. I want more crunch in the pedal. I used to have a boss DS-1 and liked the wide range of gain and tone. I don't feel that there is enough of a range for either of these on the Tube Screamer. Do any other guitarists have any recommendations?
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What kind of amp do you have?
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A traynor. It has a great tube OD sound but I cant use it with the pedals I have, namely the loop pedal.
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@mattsox94 said: A traynor. It has a great tube OD sound but I cant use it with the pedals I have, namely the loop pedal.Why can't you overdrive the tubes with your pedals? I've never heard of that.
I can get a pretty nice crunch with my Tubescreamer + amp gain (blues junior).
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personally i love the boss DS-2 clicked onto the turbo distortion. the tube screamers more of just a little bit of an extra oomph. the DS-2 is really just crunchy and a heavier tone. clicked off of turbo its the same sound as the DS-1 but it has the option to go a little heavier.
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@patper said: @mattsox94 said:I didn't phrase my response correctly, my bad. My issue with the pedals distortion is I can't use my boos loop station without dirtying the entire loop if I have the amps distortion on.A traynor. It has a great tube OD sound but I cant use it with the pedals I have, namely the loop pedal.Why can't you overdrive the tubes with your pedals? I've never heard of that.
I can get a pretty nice crunch with my Tubescreamer + amp gain (blues junior).
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@mattsox94 said: @patper said:Hmm. Ok, I don't use a looper, so I'm not sure how to help you. I do think, though, if you didn't have the looper, the pedal + amp gain would help you get closer to a crunchy sound. Not sure what you can do about that.@mattsox94 said:I didn't phrase my response correctly, my bad. My issue with the pedals distortion is I can't use my boos loop station without dirtying the entire loop if I have the amps distortion on.A traynor. It has a great tube OD sound but I cant use it with the pedals I have, namely the loop pedal.Why can't you overdrive the tubes with your pedals? I've never heard of that.
I can get a pretty nice crunch with my Tubescreamer + amp gain (blues junior).
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@patper said: @mattsox94 said:I'm going to go try that out right now. Thank for the help!@patper said:Hmm. Ok, I don't use a looper, so I'm not sure how to help you. I do think, though, if you didn't have the looper, the pedal + amp gain would help you get closer to a crunchy sound. Not sure what you can do about that.@mattsox94 said:I didn't phrase my response correctly, my bad. My issue with the pedals distortion is I can't use my boos loop station without dirtying the entire loop if I have the amps distortion on.A traynor. It has a great tube OD sound but I cant use it with the pedals I have, namely the loop pedal.Why can't you overdrive the tubes with your pedals? I've never heard of that.
I can get a pretty nice crunch with my Tubescreamer + amp gain (blues junior).
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FYI:Stock Ibanez tube screamers are hit or miss, usually miss these days. I recommend getting it modded (Analogman or Keely unless someone knows a better company) or selling it and getting a Maxon SD9. I have two modified Maxon OD9's (ts9's under originally factory) from Analogman and they are great, but I would like to get a modified SD9 at some point as well.
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Sounds like your looking for distortion not overdrive. OD is supposed to be more subtle with less crunch. Or maybe even try a fuzz pedal, if that doesn't have enough crunch you just might be a metalhead
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Looper goes last in the chain. But yeah if you have amp gain then its gonna gain out the loops also.I use a boss RC-2 and it's really annoying. Just boost the f*** out on the tube screamer and hope for the best...
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Also, My OD pedal is a BBE green screamer. I'm pretty happy with it. Decent crunch when it's maxed out
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@WGphan92 said: Looper goes last in the chain. But yeah if you have amp gain then its gonna gain out the loops also.I have an RC-20 and its last in my chain. Just tried playing around with the board and everything and I'm getting rid of the TS9. Definitely not a metalhead but I love the crunch.. I also think an MXR M78 may be a good choice. Anyone ever play this?
I use a boss RC-2 and it's really annoying. Just boost the f*** out on the tube screamer and hope for the best...
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@ledzepmaster said: FYI:This. I got an Analogman ts-808 for Christmas and have never been happier with my tone.
Stock Ibanez tube screamers are hit or miss, usually miss these days. I recommend getting it modded (Analogman or Keely unless someone knows a better company) or selling it and getting a Maxon SD9. I have two modified Maxon OD9's (ts9's under originally factory) from Analogman and they are great, but I would like to get a modified SD9 at some point as well.
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im meh on the normal "brown" tubescreamer mods by Analogman or anyone else. It seems like a waste of money if your spending the big bucks. My very cheap MXR Classic Distortion A/B'ed pretty well with an AM TS9 DLX.
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I had the exact same problem as you. Get a Fulltone OCD, or at least try one out. You will not be disappointed.
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Also see if your amp has an effects loop. Basically it'll put a pedal (in this case your loop station) after the preamp which is what creates the overdrive in the amp. You probably have to get more cables but you wont have to buy an OD pedal.
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@jezmund92 said: Also see if your amp has an effects loop. Basically it'll put a pedal (in this case your loop station) after the preamp which is what creates the overdrive in the amp. You probably have to get more cables but you wont have to buy an OD pedal.For some reason I never thought of doing that... Guess I'll have to experiment tomorrow with that!
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I have a Fulltone Fulldrive 2 into a Blues Jr. I crank the preamp gain volume just to the point of breaking up, which on my amp is around 6, and when I step on the Fulldrive, it provides a nice crunch. They key is to have the amp almost breaking up already. At home with bedroom volume levels, I don't get the same amount of thick, saturated goo as I do in a live setting. If I want more gain I step on the boost switch, which is a nice feature of the Fulldrive. I have this and a Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive (for lighter rhythm crunch) going into a Keely compressor so that I can control the amount of dirt with my volume knob a la Trey. I tried a stock Tube Screamer and found the tone to be kind of thin. Turning the tone knob down just seemed to muddy things up. The Fulldrive is much fatter and cheaper than getting an Analogman modified Tube Screamer. The Sparkle Drive is also fatter and closer to the original TS808, which is what Analogman modifies the TS9 to be more like. The Sparkle Drive also gives you the option to blend clean signal back in. With both gain and clean set to around 12:00, and the amp volume at around 6, I get a really nice crunchy yet smooth and tight rhythm tone.
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People need to stop buying Ibanez stomp boxes and get Maxon if that's what they're going for. Better product for the money. Don't believe me go read reviews.
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Glad to see a thread with some guitar discussions. This is great!My current Guitar setup.
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- Ibanez Gio with DR MT-10 strings (The ones Trey uses) into my petal board which goes like this:
Boss TU-2 Tuner> EH Little Big Muff> Boss Super Chorus> Zack Wylde Cry Baby Wah> MXR 6-Band EQ> Boss DD-6 Digital Delay (For da loops!)
All that goes into a Vox VT 30 which i have a footswitch for so i switch between 8 different amp settings ive created.
Nothing spectacular but keeps me happy
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i love my tube screamer and my prs
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Make sure you're dialed in with your guitar controls. The best OD pedals are really sensitive to how your guitar is set up. My favorite setups always let me change my tone from bluesy to crunchy with just the guitar volume. Max your volume and switch to your bucker and then see if that gives you the range you need!If you want to go full on cruncho mode, check out some distortion pedals (imo, you can cheap out on these), and I personally recommend you check out a Zvex Fuzz Factory, because it OWNS. Simple distortion to insane velcro fuzz to 8 bit nintendo fuzz, wicked wicked sensitive to guitar volume - on some settings I can get a completely clean tone with the volume rolled back and ripping legato James Gang Black Man White Man fuzz on max volume, without much change in volume.
Also, it picks up HAM radio on the germanium transistor sometimes and gives me Japanese music and talk radio out of my amp when my guitar is at 0 volume. Which is cool. And one of the knobs tunes it so you can go from Japanese to Spanish to English lol.
Jamming like CHORD CHORD CHORD HAYASUNDAKA CHORD HAITO NO SEI CHORD CHORD OKRISHNAS
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I ordered a FullTone FullDrive 2 Mosfet today. I originally was gonna get a Barber Tone Press but I think it would be more fun to try a new overdrive first. Tone Press next paycheck!
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what i really want is a boomerang.....drool
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The Route 66 is a pretty sweet pedal. It contains the Tube Screamer circuitry and a compressor in one pedal (two footswitches).I have a hard time finding a bad tone with it.
My Big Three for great tone are:
1. Use thick stings. 11s or thicker if you can.
2. Replace stock circutry. You can continue to use crappy stock pickups if you choose, but be sure the wiring and shielding are all comprised of top notch components.
3. Use all-tube amps. There is no substitute.
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@deBebbler said: 1. Not true at all. Trey uses 10s and so do many other great players. Going up from 10s to 11s didn't change my tone enough to warrant the decrease in comfort.
1. Use thick stings. 11s or thicker if you can.
2. Replace stock circutry. You can continue to use crappy stock pickups if you choose, but be sure the wiring and shielding are all comprised of top notch components.
3. Use all-tube amps. There is no substitute.
2. YES!! I suggest new pickups that can be coil split and maybe wired to series/parallel but you dont need them. I'm using Wolftone Dr Vs which are great, may be a little too dark yet still awesome. At minimum upgrade your 250k pots to 500k
3. Yup
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For a while, I was using a Fender Twin Reverb and getting my distortion with pedals. That worked for a while.
I liked my Hughes and Kettner Tube Factor Pedal until it stopped working properly. I also enjoyed my Homebrew Electronics Power Screamer. It had three settings: tube screamer, tube screamer with a lot of extra hair, and Neil Young on Live Rust. Great pedal until someone walked off with it.
People say great things about the Fulltone OCD and the Blackstone. The Youtube videos for AMT Electronics pedals look amazing, but I've yet to see them in a store.
I bought a Marshall and no longer need pedals to get distortion.
I liked my Hughes and Kettner Tube Factor Pedal until it stopped working properly. I also enjoyed my Homebrew Electronics Power Screamer. It had three settings: tube screamer, tube screamer with a lot of extra hair, and Neil Young on Live Rust. Great pedal until someone walked off with it.
People say great things about the Fulltone OCD and the Blackstone. The Youtube videos for AMT Electronics pedals look amazing, but I've yet to see them in a store.
I bought a Marshall and no longer need pedals to get distortion.
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@MomaDan said: @deBebbler said:I guess I should have said Rules For Easy Good Tone. Yeah, you can get great tone from 10s, but it is easier to get a thicker fuller tone with heavier strings. Harder to play, but burly tone.1. Not true at all. Trey uses 10s and so do many other great players. Going up from 10s to 11s didn't change my tone enough to warrant the decrease in comfort.
1. Use thick stings. 11s or thicker if you can.
I think SRV used something like 13s. Crazy bastard.
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I used 11's for a while, mostly because I liked how they felt, but I was actually never satisfied with the tone I got from them. I'm pretty happy with 10's
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@deBebbler said: @MomaDan said:Yup and Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath plays with 8s!@deBebbler said:I guess I should have said Rules For Easy Good Tone. Yeah, you can get great tone from 10s, but it is easier to get a thicker fuller tone with heavier strings. Harder to play, but burly tone.1. Not true at all. Trey uses 10s and so do many other great players. Going up from 10s to 11s didn't change my tone enough to warrant the decrease in comfort.
1. Use thick stings. 11s or thicker if you can.
I think SRV used something like 13s. Crazy bastard.
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I have an analogman 3 knob Ross compressor for sale if anyone wants it.Same exact circuit trey uses for 1/3 of the price.
PM me.
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I think the boss od-20 drive zone would give you the range that your looking for.
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And before you go buying thicker strings beware that some guitars are not made to use heavy thick strings
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Jimmy Page used a banjo sting as his high E and would throw out the low E and use the A string as the low E. Billy Gibbons also uses a .8 high E string.
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