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THANK YOU - its been bothering the shit out of me. People talk about how great this guy is. Why doesn't anyone bring this up? Also- im not even a Steelers fan, but you get people giving Ben Roesthlisberger shit for the rape thing all the time...he wasn'te even charged with anything. Ray Lewis was charged with MURDER. The guy is a piece of shit like Mike Vick
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@harroldHOOD said: THANK YOU - its been bothering the shit out of me. People talk about how great this guy is. Why doesn't anyone bring this up?No f***ing clue, i think its gross that the media ignores is involvment in a double murder.
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I have never seen a story shoved under the rug like this one. I live in Indianapolis and people here won't even talk about it. A city with NO loyalty to Ray Lewis at all. The NFL is powerful. I mean, they can't have another first ballot HOF be a double murderer...OJ.
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@harroldHOOD I am totally one of the ones that put ben rapeliesburger on blast! Hes scum too!Micheal vick on the otherhand plead guilty, did 2yrs in federal prison, went complety broke, then earned his carreer back. Hes done his time in my mind.
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: @harroldHOOD I am totally one of the ones that put ben rapeliesburger on blast! Hes scum too!Yeah, I guess I give Vick another chance. I hated what he did but he paid for it. I think he learned from it too.
Micheal vick on the otherhand plead guilty, did 2yrs in federal prison, went complety broke, then earned his carreer back. Hes done his time in my mind.
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: @harroldHOOD I am totally one of the ones that put ben rapeliesburger on blast! Hes scum too!very interesting perspective. I partially agree, the first chick was proven to be crazy and a liar but the second chick was DEFINITELY raped by ben. his friends came the day after and took the video footage, the cop was a steelers fan taking pictures with him at the scene....despicable.
Micheal vick on the otherhand plead guilty, did 2yrs in federal prison, went complety broke, then earned his carreer back. Hes done his time in my mind.
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: @harroldHOOD I am totally one of the ones that put ben rapeliesburger on blast! Hes scum too!I agree with your stance on Vick. He did a terrible thing, he owned it and he did his time. He lost millions of dollars, lost the respect of NFL fans and human beings all across the country. He hit rock bottom and worked his way back.
Micheal vick on the otherhand plead guilty, did 2yrs in federal prison, went complety broke, then earned his carreer back. Hes done his time in my mind.
Im not saying we should throw rose petals at Vicks feet...but the guy did pay for his actions
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Ray Lewis, Annoying
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For the record - he did his time but I still think Vick is a P.O.S. -- its just not something good people do. I'm in no way a bleeding heart but I read his response to the judge as to why he was dogfighting in the first place and its the answer of a shitty person who got caught, not the answer of someone who really felt bad for his actions. Either way, I'm glad we can all agree that Ray Lewis a scumbag and very likely a murderer.
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@harroldHOOD said: For the record - he did his time but I still think Vick is a P.O.S. -- its just not something good people do. I'm in no way a bleeding heart but I read his response to the judge as to why he was dogfighting in the first place and its the answer of a shitty person who got caught, not the answer of someone who really felt bad for his actions. Either way, I'm glad we can all agree that Ray Lewis a scumbag and very likely a murderer.Again, im not trying to defend Michael Vick, but that statement you speak of was made at the time of the hearings/sentencing. If you asked him the same question today, 4-5 years later, he might give you a different response.
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@Slothberries said: @harroldHOOD said:I'm sure he would - but I don't think that proves he's rehabilitated, I think he just now has a better understanding of what can get him in trouble and what will make his public image look like shit.For the record - he did his time but I still think Vick is a P.O.S. -- its just not something good people do. I'm in no way a bleeding heart but I read his response to the judge as to why he was dogfighting in the first place and its the answer of a shitty person who got caught, not the answer of someone who really felt bad for his actions. Either way, I'm glad we can all agree that Ray Lewis a scumbag and very likely a murderer.Again, im not trying to defend Michael Vick, but that statement you speak of was made at the time of the hearings/sentencing. If you asked him the same question today, 4-5 years later, he might give you a different response.
I mean he certainly lives an American dream....who else in the history of America has been offered two separate $100 million dollar contracts sandwiching a 2 year prison term for dogfighting?
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I was having a conversation the other day with a friend about how athletes are perceived. I'm really tired and kind of annoyed this morning, so this may come off really bad. As far as athletes and their personal lives, I couldn't care less. Positive and negatives. These guys are nothing more then race horses to me. They go out there, run around a little bit and score points. I really don't care if they killed someone drunk driving, beat their wife, work with disabled kids or hand out turkeys during the holidays. I want them to hit the field, court, ice or diamond on game day and perform. What they do when the lights go out isn't really any of my business.
With that said, Ray Lewis is a beats on the field. And I loved watching him over the last decade murder (hee hee) people on the field.
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Vick put a face on dog fighting. He has probably paid more than anyone for this heinous crime. He is stupid...not criminal. Big difference.
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@bostonron - you don't care that there may be people getting away with murder and rape? I get what you're saying...they're athletes, their personal lives have nothing to do with the game so you don't want to hear about it and I think most fans share your sentiment, that's why it pisses them off that someone like Ray Lewis, a super rich athlete with a great life, has to be involved in murdering people, because for most people, murder and rape can't really be ignored and now we need to weigh in on something unrelated to the game.
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1. He was never found guilty of anything other than obstructing justice.2. The other two men involved weren't found guilty of murder. The altercation began as a mutual fight and its possible the knife was used in self defense. We will never know.
3. Ray Lewis has turned his life around. He has generated millions for various charities, he's a motivational speaker that has held up this challenge so that others can learn from his mistakes and his success, and he's mastered his field. What more do you want? What's the better result, that he rot in jail for a crime that you can't prove he committed, and not be able to do these things for his community... or what actually happened? He could have easily laid low. He could have taken the money and ran, but he chose to turn the shittiest day of his life into a decade of positives. You hippies are always raving about positivity, there's a fat wad of it for you.
The purpose of the justice system is supposedly rehabilitation. There's no one on earth who can say that Ray Lewis isn't rehabiliated regardless of whether or not the punishment (which is on the state to secure) was proper. And not one person in this half-assed revenge hungry nation is qualified to make that judgement, because no one was there except for Ray and the other two. Thankfully, in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty- whether any of you like it or not. Plus I guarantee that if you f***ed up and killed a guy, you would without a doubt play your get-out-jail-free card if you had one.
So get your feet out of your mouth and bask in the glory that is Ray Lewis. There's only a game or two left for the greatest MLB in history.
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@harroldHOOD said: @bostonron - you don't care that there may be people getting away with murder and rape? I get what you're saying...they're athletes, their personal lives have nothing to do with the game so you don't want to hear about it and I think most fans share your sentiment, that's why it pisses them off that someone like Ray Lewis, a super rich athlete with a great life, has to be involved in murdering people, because for most people, murder and rape can't really be ignored and now we need to weigh in on something unrelated to the game.People get away with murder and rape everyday. Sure, it pisses me off. But as we"speak", there is murder and rape happening multiple times over. I don't have the energy to devote to all the awful things happening in the universe. So I give these guys a pass and enjoy what they do on the field.
There is a much bigger issue here with how athletes are treated throughout their lives leading up the professional sports. Most of these guys have been untouchable growing up, probably leading to a feeling invincibility. They get to the pros, have millions of dollars and tons of free time. Like I said though, I don't have the time or energy to devote to caring what they do past the field.
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: 1. He was never found guilty of anything other than obstructing justice.Uh, I am a Polock, not a hippie. MLB? I see a meth lab in your future.
2. The other two men involved weren't found guilty of murder. The altercation began as a mutual fight and its possible the knife was used in self defense. We will never know.
3. Ray Lewis has turned his life around. He has generated millions for various charities, he's a motivational speaker that has held up this challenge so that others can learn from his mistakes and his success, and he's mastered his field. What more do you want? What's the better result, that he rot in jail for a crime that you can't prove he committed, and not be able to do these things for his community... or what actually happened? He could have easily laid low. He could have taken the money and ran, but he chose to turn the shittiest day of his life into a decade of positives. You hippies are always raving about positivity, there's a fat wad of it for you.
The purpose of the justice system is supposedly rehabilitation. There's no one on earth who can say that Ray Lewis isn't rehabiliated regardless of whether or not the punishment (which is on the state to secure) was proper. And not one person in this half-assed revenge hungry nation is qualified to make that judgement, because no one was there except for Ray and the other two. Thankfully, in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty- whether any of you like it or not. Plus I guarantee that if you f***ed up and killed a guy, you would without a doubt play your get-out-jail-free card if you had one.
So get your feet out of your mouth and bask in the glory that is Ray Lewis. There's only a game or two left for the greatest MLB in history.
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@Pweso81 said: @the_Crested_Hogchoker said:Its only so I can cut it with my mahl.1. He was never found guilty of anything other than obstructing justice.Uh, I am a Polock, not a hippie. MLB? I see a meth lab in your future.
2. The other two men involved weren't found guilty of murder. The altercation began as a mutual fight and its possible the knife was used in self defense. We will never know.
3. Ray Lewis has turned his life around. He has generated millions for various charities, he's a motivational speaker that has held up this challenge so that others can learn from his mistakes and his success, and he's mastered his field. What more do you want? What's the better result, that he rot in jail for a crime that you can't prove he committed, and not be able to do these things for his community... or what actually happened? He could have easily laid low. He could have taken the money and ran, but he chose to turn the shittiest day of his life into a decade of positives. You hippies are always raving about positivity, there's a fat wad of it for you.
The purpose of the justice system is supposedly rehabilitation. There's no one on earth who can say that Ray Lewis isn't rehabiliated regardless of whether or not the punishment (which is on the state to secure) was proper. And not one person in this half-assed revenge hungry nation is qualified to make that judgement, because no one was there except for Ray and the other two. Thankfully, in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty- whether any of you like it or not. Plus I guarantee that if you f***ed up and killed a guy, you would without a doubt play your get-out-jail-free card if you had one.
So get your feet out of your mouth and bask in the glory that is Ray Lewis. There's only a game or two left for the greatest MLB in history.
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All I'm saying is if the Ravens win the Super Bowl...don't go to Ray Lewis' after-party
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My only problem with him is that he doesn't shut up with the bible shit.
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: My only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit.And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old.
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GETS OLD???? He should be in jail for that!
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@bostonron said: @the_Crested_Hogchoker said:not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' ampedMy only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit.And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old.
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough.
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: @bostonron said:Nah, man. I get it. But not being in MD it gets tired as shit@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' ampedMy only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit.And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old.
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough.
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I am sure it means a lot to the Baltimore Browns.
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@Pweso81 said: I am sure it means a lot to the Baltimore Browns.At least we were classy enough to leave them their name, colors and records. We weren't worthy of that dignity according to the Irsays, when they ripped an equally storied franchise out of baltimore.
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Ha. I was waiting for that. I actually grew up in southern Michigan so I am a Lions fan. Detroit is my town. Thanks for taking some of the heat off of us. Nothing like going to Baltimore Murderland!
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@bostonron said: @the_Crested_Hogchoker said:Hey man, it is a little less annoying then that "who dat" shit the saints do@bostonron said:Nah, man. I get it. But not being in MD it gets tired as shit@the_Crested_Hogchoker said:not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' ampedMy only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit.And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old.
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough.
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@Pweso81 said: Ha. I was waiting for that. I actually grew up in southern Michigan so I am a Lions fan. Detroit is my town. Thanks for taking some of the heat off of us. Nothing like going to Baltimore Murderland!uh huh...whatever you say chief
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@TheArgus said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "My only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit." And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old."not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' amped
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough." Nah, man. I get it. But not being in MD it gets tired as shit"
Hey man, it is a little less annoying then that "who dat" shit the saints do"
...or the equally pathetic "Who Dey" thing in Cincy
the J-E-T-S Jets thing is pretty goddamn annoying too
...and the retarded terrible towels in Pitt
just about everybody's got something obnoxious for their team... except for Carolina, those fans sit on their hands
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "@TheArgus said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "My only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit." And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old."not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' amped
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough." Nah, man. I get it. But not being in MD it gets tired as shit"
Hey man, it is a little less annoying then that "who dat" shit the saints do"
...or the equally pathetic "Who Dey" thing in Cincy
the J-E-T-S Jets thing is pretty goddamn annoying too
...and the retarded terrible towels in Pitt
just about everybody's got something obnoxious for their team... except for Carolina, those fans sit on their hands"
Next year, Panthers fans will sit with towels draped over their heads in shame, similar to their fearless supermanesque leader Scam Newton. Is it wrong to take joy in another man's sorrow? it feels so right
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: @Pweso81 said:I work the Indycar race in Baltimore and deal with a bunch of Fireman. They are great people but they will not stop shoving the Colts leaving into my face. They assume I am in on it. I am not. Get over it. Also, they left! you could not keep them.Ha. I was waiting for that. I actually grew up in southern Michigan so I am a Lions fan. Detroit is my town. Thanks for taking some of the heat off of us. Nothing like going to Baltimore Murderland!uh huh...whatever you say chief
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News Article on Lewis I think murder should be a prerequisite to play middle linebacker in the NFL
Another
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@Pweso81 said: @the_Crested_Hogchoker said:Sounds like you were working with Baltimorons. They're like mid-atlantic city hillbillies.@Pweso81 said:I work the Indycar race in Baltimore and deal with a bunch of Fireman. They are great people but they will not stop shoving the Colts leaving into my face. They assume I am in on it. I am not. Get over it. Also, they left! you could not keep them.Ha. I was waiting for that. I actually grew up in southern Michigan so I am a Lions fan. Detroit is my town. Thanks for taking some of the heat off of us. Nothing like going to Baltimore Murderland!uh huh...whatever you say chief
"Ay mah niece is goin' down nee Oashin, hon. Ow 'bout dem O's?"
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@Slothberries said: @Phlat_Brim_Kid said:Yah i dont think vick is a good guy, hes still scum, but he paid for his wrongdoings.@harroldHOOD I am totally one of the ones that put ben rapeliesburger on blast! Hes scum too! Micheal vick on the otherhand plead guilty, did 2yrs in federal prison, went complety broke, then earned his carreer back. Hes done his time in my mind.I agree with your stance on Vick. He did a terrible thing, he owned it and he did his time. He lost millions of dollars, lost the respect of NFL fans and human beings all across the country. He hit rock bottom and worked his way back. Im not saying we should throw rose petals at Vicks feet...but the guy did pay for his actions
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: 1. He was never found guilty of anything other than obstructing justice. 2. The other two men involved weren't found guilty of murder. The altercation began as a mutual fight and its possible the knife was used in self defense. We will never know. 3. Ray Lewis has turned his life around. He has generated millions for various charities, he's a motivational speaker that has held up this challenge so that others can learn from his mistakes and his success, and he's mastered his field. What more do you want? What's the better result, that he rot in jail for a crime that you can't prove he committed, and not be able to do these things for his community... or what actually happened? He could have easily laid low. He could have taken the money and ran, but he chose to turn the shittiest day of his life into a decade of positives. You hippies are always raving about positivity, there's a fat wad of it for you. The purpose of the justice system is supposedly rehabilitation. There's no one on earth who can say that Ray Lewis isn't rehabiliated regardless of whether or not the punishment (which is on the state to secure) was proper. And not one person in this half-assed revenge hungry nation is qualified to make that judgement, because no one was there except for Ray and the other two. Thankfully, in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty- whether any of you like it or not. Plus I guarantee that if you f***ed up and killed a guy, you would without a doubt play your get-out-jail-free card if you had one. So get your feet out of your mouth and bask in the glory that is Ray Lewis. There's only a game or two left for the greatest MLB in history.
1. i dont see me and some friends killing anyone.
2. y would he pay not one but 2 out of court settlemts totalling up 2 23million dollars?
3. oj was innocent too right?
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I just think its funny that people get way more worked up over Vick or Lewis than a guy like Donte Stallworth, who actually killed a person.
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just forward this thread to dexter and let him sort it out. until then, i hope the ravens f*** the pats up!!
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@MiguelSanchez said: just forward this thread to dexter and let him sort it out. until then, i hope the ravens f*** the pats up!!sign'd but only if the texans dont do it 1st!
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: @MiguelSanchez said:Re'signed. That would be hilarious!just forward this thread to dexter and let him sort it out. until then, i hope the ravens f*** the pats up!!sign'd but only if the texans dont do it 1st!
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@spaced said: I just think its funny that people get way more worked up over Vick or Lewis than a guy like Donte Stallworth, who actually killed a person.
Isn't stall worth in jail? I can't remember...and I thought that was an accident...Lewis was 27 when this happened...hanging around w bad people up to no real good. Reformed or not, he should hv known better by then and two people r dead. He knows what happened; I know he's an athlete and all, but idk shit about any murders. He's a superior player, but that's enough for me to always bring it up, jokingly or otherwise.
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The University of Miami aka the U is homicide education at it's best.For Ray Lewis he is one of the best LB ever to play the game, except he escaped a serious murder rap.
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@ckess22 said: @spaced said:stallworth did a month in jail, turned out dude walked into traffic drunk.I just think its funny that people get way more worked up over Vick or Lewis than a guy like Donte Stallworth, who actually killed a person.Isn't stall worth in jail? I can't remember...and I thought that was an accident...Lewis was 27 when this happened...hanging around w bad people up to no real good. Reformed or not, he should hv known better by then and two people r dead. He knows what happened; I know he's an athlete and all, but idk shit about any murders. He's a superior player, but that's enough for me to always bring it up, jokingly or otherwise.
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: you kill me with your awful posting.
1. i dont see me and some friends killing anyone.
2. y would he pay not one but 2 out of court settlemts totalling up 2 23million dollars?
3. oj was innocent too right?
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: Seriously though...
1. i dont see me and some friends killing anyone.
2. y would he pay not one but 2 out of court settlemts totalling up 2 23million dollars?
3. oj was innocent too right?
I don't know what your first point has to do with anything.
As for the settlements, those are paid all of the time, to avoid civil lawsuits. As for the amount you've stated, "23million dollars", I'm not sure where you got that from. I did just a little bit of looking it up and the only figure I found was "At least 1 million dollars". Which makes a lot more sense. If you can afford it, and it will get you out of a long messy civil suit, that you may lose whether you actually did anything or not, you settle.
As for OJ, I think he was involved. The prosecution did a bad job, but don't forget, Simpson did lose the civil trial. Having said all that, it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about O.J.
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said: @Phlat_Brim_Kid said:pertaining to settlements- a guy like ray lewis could easily pay a million in legal fees alone if it drug on long enough. win or lose.Seriously though...
1. i dont see me and some friends killing anyone.
2. y would he pay not one but 2 out of court settlemts totalling up 2 23million dollars?
3. oj was innocent too right?
I don't know what your first point has to do with anything.
As for the settlements, those are paid all of the time, to avoid civil lawsuits. As for the amount you've stated, "23million dollars", I'm not sure where you got that from. I did just a little bit of looking it up and the only figure I found was "At least 1 million dollars". Which makes a lot more sense. If you can afford it, and it will get you out of a long messy civil suit, that you may lose whether you actually did anything or not, you settle.
As for OJ, I think he was involved. The prosecution did a bad job, but don't forget, Simpson did lose the civil trial. Having said all that, it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about O.J.
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@MiguelSanchez said: @me_no_are_no_nice_guy said:Pay a million dollars to have it all go away, or take a risk of losing several times that amount, while having your name dragged around in the press even more than it already was. Sounds like he made the right choice considering his image now a days.@Phlat_Brim_Kid said:pertaining to settlements- a guy like ray lewis could easily pay a million in legal fees alone if it drug on long enough. win or lose.Seriously though...
1. i dont see me and some friends killing anyone.
2. y would he pay not one but 2 out of court settlemts totalling up 2 23million dollars?
3. oj was innocent too right?
I don't know what your first point has to do with anything.
As for the settlements, those are paid all of the time, to avoid civil lawsuits. As for the amount you've stated, "23million dollars", I'm not sure where you got that from. I did just a little bit of looking it up and the only figure I found was "At least 1 million dollars". Which makes a lot more sense. If you can afford it, and it will get you out of a long messy civil suit, that you may lose whether you actually did anything or not, you settle.
As for OJ, I think he was involved. The prosecution did a bad job, but don't forget, Simpson did lose the civil trial. Having said all that, it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about O.J.
It's not just about being able to easily pay whatever.