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@TheArgus said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "My only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit." And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old."not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' amped
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough." Nah, man. I get it. But not being in MD it gets tired as shit"
Hey man, it is a little less annoying then that "who dat" shit the saints do"
Or that always winning shit the Pats do.
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@Jimmymac03 said: "@TheArgus said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "@bostonron said: "@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: "My only problem with him is that he doens't shut up with the bible shit." And his little pre game show and pony dance gets old."not in Baltimore, its a tradition and it gets the crowd f***in' amped
It's one of the craziest things I've seen in sports to be honest with you, one player charging 71000 people up that much
plus its more for his teammates than anything- its a prestige thing for young players to line up next to Ray. Most of the guys we get on D were huge Ray Lewis fans when they were groing up. They expect him to do the dance, and they want him to do it. He's one of the best motivators in the league and the stupid dance is part of it oddly enough." Nah, man. I get it. But not being in MD it gets tired as shit"
Hey man, it is a little less annoying then that "who dat" shit the saints do"
Or that always winning shit the Pats do."
The pats and ravens have won the same amount of rings the past five years. Not quite always.
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It is something to read about how much people outside of Baltimore get rubbed the wrong way by Ray Lewis.
There are a number of complaints. First, he "got away with murder." Well, there wasn't too much to charge him with and he plead guilty to obstruction of justice. Here's what we do know: his colleagues who were involved in the altercation that resulted in the deaths, were not convicted and were found to have acted in self-defense. Second, the fight started when someone smashed a champagne bottle over the head of someone with Lewis's entourage. Last, it was fourteen years ago. In the fourteen years since, Lewis has lived a pretty clean life. No arrests. No drinking. Very involved with the community. And, yes, ... the second complaint.....
He's turned to God and now quotes the Bible. Well, better than that than flashing gang signs or some shit like that.
Third, the dance is annoying. Well, as my fellow Balmoron pointed out - it ain't annoying to the Ravens fans who saw it at M&T. The crowd gets amped. Last week, all were in their seats for player intros just to get to see the last dance.
Regardless, he's been a great player to watch. Nobody played the game with his intensity and emotion. I've told me son that when he plays sports, he needs to play like Ray - study the game and make every single play count. (You should see the little guy on the lacrosse field last year.)
Ray will go down as one of the best ever. Numerous pundits have mentioned him in the same sentence as LT as being one of the best defensive players. He's going to Canton.
Get over it.
There are a number of complaints. First, he "got away with murder." Well, there wasn't too much to charge him with and he plead guilty to obstruction of justice. Here's what we do know: his colleagues who were involved in the altercation that resulted in the deaths, were not convicted and were found to have acted in self-defense. Second, the fight started when someone smashed a champagne bottle over the head of someone with Lewis's entourage. Last, it was fourteen years ago. In the fourteen years since, Lewis has lived a pretty clean life. No arrests. No drinking. Very involved with the community. And, yes, ... the second complaint.....
He's turned to God and now quotes the Bible. Well, better than that than flashing gang signs or some shit like that.
Third, the dance is annoying. Well, as my fellow Balmoron pointed out - it ain't annoying to the Ravens fans who saw it at M&T. The crowd gets amped. Last week, all were in their seats for player intros just to get to see the last dance.
Regardless, he's been a great player to watch. Nobody played the game with his intensity and emotion. I've told me son that when he plays sports, he needs to play like Ray - study the game and make every single play count. (You should see the little guy on the lacrosse field last year.)
Ray will go down as one of the best ever. Numerous pundits have mentioned him in the same sentence as LT as being one of the best defensive players. He's going to Canton.
Get over it.
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Oh and you want to know the truth about Ray Lewis. The truth is next week in Foxboro he will walk off the field with a loss.
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I don't think there is enough evidence either way to prove he did it or not. The alleged "bloody suit" was never found, so that is one thing, but the case would have been circumstantial evidence primarily, and that is never a good thing.
I won't call him a murderer, but I would be a bit weary about associating myself too much with him. Prosecutors have to meet the burden of proving a crime occurred "beyond a reasonable doubt," otherwise it violates the professional rules of conduct to bring a case forward, and prosecutors can get disbarred. So just because a case doesn't get brought does not mean there wasn't good evidence, it just means there wasn't enough evidence to STRONGLY prove he did it.
End rant.
I won't call him a murderer, but I would be a bit weary about associating myself too much with him. Prosecutors have to meet the burden of proving a crime occurred "beyond a reasonable doubt," otherwise it violates the professional rules of conduct to bring a case forward, and prosecutors can get disbarred. So just because a case doesn't get brought does not mean there wasn't good evidence, it just means there wasn't enough evidence to STRONGLY prove he did it.
End rant.
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@the_Crested_Hogchoker said: There's only a game or two left for the greatest MLB in history.Dick Butkus, Jack Lambert, and Ray Nitschke would like to have a word with you regarding that assertion. One of the greatest, undoubtedly. There are arguments to be made for any of them as THE GREATEST, but I don't think you'll find many people who saw Butkus or Nitschke play who would say Lewis is the greatest.
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It's not just my opinion - without really trying to hard, here's what I found:
here's one pundit:
#7 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Deacon Jones
Deacon Jones invented the meaning of the word of sack.
#6 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Ronnie Lott
An All-Pro at both cornerback and safety, Ronnie Lott is the greatest NFL defensive back of all time. First and foremost, Ronnie Lott is associated with devastating hits and little to no regard for his own body. In 1980s San Francisco, Lott instilled a certain toughness to teams that were more so identified with finesse and precise, West Coast passing. As a test of a man, Ronnie Lott actually agreed to have the tip of his pink finger amputated—just to stay in the game.
Fundamentally sound, Ronnie Lott was a stat sheet stuffer and perennial Pro Bowler during his 14-year career. In 1985, Lott alternated between free safety and corner, while going on to record 104 tackles, 6 interceptions, 2 sacks, and 2 fumble recoveries.
Through sheer instinct, Ronnie Lott just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
#5 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Mean Joe Greene
At tackle, Mean Joe Greene anchored the 70's Dynasty Pittsburgh Steel Curtain. Equally relentless against both the run and pass game, Greene utilized an angular technique to disrupt blocking assignments at the line of scrimmage. To do so, Mean Joe Greene would wedge his body between the center - guard A-Gap.
#4 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Dick Butkus
Dick Butkus brought the pain to the 1960s and 70s Black and Blue division. A true Monster of the Midway, Butkus opened up the door for the likes of Mike Singletary and Brian Urlacher at Bears' middle linebacker. O
#3 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Reggie White
The Late Reggie White was the most disruptive defensive lineman to ever throw on a pair of shoulder pads. In Philadelphia, the Minister of Defense teamed up with Clyde Simmons, Ron Pitts, and Jerome Brown to dominate the trenches in Buddy Ryan's mad man scheme.
#2 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Ray Lewis
Ray Lewis, the self-proclaimed God's linebacker is a natural born leader. To win, Ray Ray demands that you give up all you have right here and right now. Because of his passion, teammates readily fall in line—so as not to disappoint Captain Lewis. To a man, opponents and fans must respect Ray Lewis for his love of the game, sportsmanship, and desire to play his best football.
On the football field, Ray Lewis is a cerebral and physical specimen. Mentally, Lewis is a coach on the field, who can anticipate offensive play calls, audible defensive shifts, and arrive at the point of attack to make tackles time and time again. Physically, Ray Lewis is an imposing 6'1 250 man that loves to throw his weight around and knock people into the operating room and into next week. After putting your career on ice, Ray Lewis will offer up his telephone number to provide brotherly support and counsel.
Ray Lewis is a Champion.
#1 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Lawrence Taylor
Lawrence Taylor was the greatest defensive weapon of all time.
From ESPN - John Clayton:
1. Lawrence Taylor: He changed the game. He was so good at rushing the quarterback, Bill Parcells put him as a 3-4 linebacker and just let him rush. When you watch games, most of the time your eyes angle toward the quarterback. During the L.T. days, you ended up watching him. He was that good.
Reggie White
2. Reggie White: He was unblockable. White is considered the greatest unrestricted free agent in NFL history. Once he went to Green Bay, the Packers returned to their status as a legacy franchise. I can't tell you how many times I'd see White get angry at some cheap-shot block and then decide to line up in front of offender and embarrass him with a "hump" move.
Joe Greene
3. "Mean" Joe Greene: Chuck Noll built perhaps the greatest football dynasty around Mean Joe. As a rookie, Greene was a little like Ndamukong Suh. Not only was he was difficult to block, he also lived up to his nickname. Veterans told him he didn't have to take the cheap shots, so Greene dominated cleanly and professionally.
Dick Butkus
4. Dick Butkus: NFL Films and the Sabol family captured his greatest on tape every week. Growing up, I looked forward to NFL Films' weekly highlights show in order to see the best of Butkus. Had he played now, he would be on the "SportsCenter" highlights every Sunday night.
Ray Lewis
5. Ray Lewis: I still remember a Ravens training camp at which I had to ask Lewis about his tackling style. Lewis always seemed to explode as he neared a ball carrier. I asked him whether my observation was valid.
Here's one that has him as # 1---
1. Ray Lewis: Won Super Bowl 35 and was named MVP of The Superbowl. He is a Ravens 13 Time Pro Bowler. He has a record 16 seasons played as a linebacker. His stats are impeccable: 2,004 tackles, 31 interceptions, 40 sacks and still going strong in The NFL.
2. Lawrence Taylor: L.T. is a two time Superbowl Champ with The Giants. He was selected to The Pro Bowl 10 times. He had a NFL record of 142 sacks, 9 interceptions and 1,088 career tackles.
3. Ronnie Lott: Lott is a four time Super Bowl Champion who was a 10x Pro Bowl Selection and he had 63 interceptions in his great career which was mostly played with the 49ers. Lott also had 730 interception return yards.
4. Reggie White: White won a Super Bowl and was a 13 time Pro Bowler. He recorded 198 sacks and 1,112 tackles in his career with the Eagles and the Packers. He also appeared in a separate Super Bowl and did well despite a losing effort. He was second to none at defensive end for 15 years.
5. Rod Woodson: He won a Super Bowl and he was in 2 others as well. He has 71 career interceptions and 1,483 interception return yards. Here's a stat for you: Woodson has 4,894 kick-off return yards and 2,362 punt return yards resulting in 17 touchdowns. He has been selected to the Pro Bowl as a corner back, safety, and a kick returner.
6. Dick Butkus: Butkus played his entire Pro career with the Chicago Bears. He has 1,020 tackles and 22 interceptions along with 27 forced fumbles. He went to the Pro Bowl 8 times and one of his biggest features was his ability to strip the football.
here's one pundit:
#7 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Deacon Jones
Deacon Jones invented the meaning of the word of sack.
#6 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Ronnie Lott
An All-Pro at both cornerback and safety, Ronnie Lott is the greatest NFL defensive back of all time. First and foremost, Ronnie Lott is associated with devastating hits and little to no regard for his own body. In 1980s San Francisco, Lott instilled a certain toughness to teams that were more so identified with finesse and precise, West Coast passing. As a test of a man, Ronnie Lott actually agreed to have the tip of his pink finger amputated—just to stay in the game.
Fundamentally sound, Ronnie Lott was a stat sheet stuffer and perennial Pro Bowler during his 14-year career. In 1985, Lott alternated between free safety and corner, while going on to record 104 tackles, 6 interceptions, 2 sacks, and 2 fumble recoveries.
Through sheer instinct, Ronnie Lott just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
#5 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Mean Joe Greene
At tackle, Mean Joe Greene anchored the 70's Dynasty Pittsburgh Steel Curtain. Equally relentless against both the run and pass game, Greene utilized an angular technique to disrupt blocking assignments at the line of scrimmage. To do so, Mean Joe Greene would wedge his body between the center - guard A-Gap.
#4 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Dick Butkus
Dick Butkus brought the pain to the 1960s and 70s Black and Blue division. A true Monster of the Midway, Butkus opened up the door for the likes of Mike Singletary and Brian Urlacher at Bears' middle linebacker. O
#3 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Reggie White
The Late Reggie White was the most disruptive defensive lineman to ever throw on a pair of shoulder pads. In Philadelphia, the Minister of Defense teamed up with Clyde Simmons, Ron Pitts, and Jerome Brown to dominate the trenches in Buddy Ryan's mad man scheme.
#2 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Ray Lewis
Ray Lewis, the self-proclaimed God's linebacker is a natural born leader. To win, Ray Ray demands that you give up all you have right here and right now. Because of his passion, teammates readily fall in line—so as not to disappoint Captain Lewis. To a man, opponents and fans must respect Ray Lewis for his love of the game, sportsmanship, and desire to play his best football.
On the football field, Ray Lewis is a cerebral and physical specimen. Mentally, Lewis is a coach on the field, who can anticipate offensive play calls, audible defensive shifts, and arrive at the point of attack to make tackles time and time again. Physically, Ray Lewis is an imposing 6'1 250 man that loves to throw his weight around and knock people into the operating room and into next week. After putting your career on ice, Ray Lewis will offer up his telephone number to provide brotherly support and counsel.
Ray Lewis is a Champion.
#1 Greatest NFL Defensive Player of All Time: Lawrence Taylor
Lawrence Taylor was the greatest defensive weapon of all time.
From ESPN - John Clayton:
1. Lawrence Taylor: He changed the game. He was so good at rushing the quarterback, Bill Parcells put him as a 3-4 linebacker and just let him rush. When you watch games, most of the time your eyes angle toward the quarterback. During the L.T. days, you ended up watching him. He was that good.
Reggie White
2. Reggie White: He was unblockable. White is considered the greatest unrestricted free agent in NFL history. Once he went to Green Bay, the Packers returned to their status as a legacy franchise. I can't tell you how many times I'd see White get angry at some cheap-shot block and then decide to line up in front of offender and embarrass him with a "hump" move.
Joe Greene
3. "Mean" Joe Greene: Chuck Noll built perhaps the greatest football dynasty around Mean Joe. As a rookie, Greene was a little like Ndamukong Suh. Not only was he was difficult to block, he also lived up to his nickname. Veterans told him he didn't have to take the cheap shots, so Greene dominated cleanly and professionally.
Dick Butkus
4. Dick Butkus: NFL Films and the Sabol family captured his greatest on tape every week. Growing up, I looked forward to NFL Films' weekly highlights show in order to see the best of Butkus. Had he played now, he would be on the "SportsCenter" highlights every Sunday night.
Ray Lewis
5. Ray Lewis: I still remember a Ravens training camp at which I had to ask Lewis about his tackling style. Lewis always seemed to explode as he neared a ball carrier. I asked him whether my observation was valid.
Here's one that has him as # 1---
1. Ray Lewis: Won Super Bowl 35 and was named MVP of The Superbowl. He is a Ravens 13 Time Pro Bowler. He has a record 16 seasons played as a linebacker. His stats are impeccable: 2,004 tackles, 31 interceptions, 40 sacks and still going strong in The NFL.
2. Lawrence Taylor: L.T. is a two time Superbowl Champ with The Giants. He was selected to The Pro Bowl 10 times. He had a NFL record of 142 sacks, 9 interceptions and 1,088 career tackles.
3. Ronnie Lott: Lott is a four time Super Bowl Champion who was a 10x Pro Bowl Selection and he had 63 interceptions in his great career which was mostly played with the 49ers. Lott also had 730 interception return yards.
4. Reggie White: White won a Super Bowl and was a 13 time Pro Bowler. He recorded 198 sacks and 1,112 tackles in his career with the Eagles and the Packers. He also appeared in a separate Super Bowl and did well despite a losing effort. He was second to none at defensive end for 15 years.
5. Rod Woodson: He won a Super Bowl and he was in 2 others as well. He has 71 career interceptions and 1,483 interception return yards. Here's a stat for you: Woodson has 4,894 kick-off return yards and 2,362 punt return yards resulting in 17 touchdowns. He has been selected to the Pro Bowl as a corner back, safety, and a kick returner.
6. Dick Butkus: Butkus played his entire Pro career with the Chicago Bears. He has 1,020 tackles and 22 interceptions along with 27 forced fumbles. He went to the Pro Bowl 8 times and one of his biggest features was his ability to strip the football.
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