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The Final Four is open for voting now. 12/6/97 vs. 12/14/95
11/28/94 vs. 12/2/95
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Round 3 Results5/7/94 (34%) vs. 12/6/97 (66%)
11/2/94 (32%) vs. 12/14/95 (68%)
12/2/95 (62.8%) vs. 11/23/94 (37.2%)
11/28/94 (56.8%) vs. 10/30/98 (43.2%)
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It's looking like 12.6 will run away with that bracket. 12.2 is up on '94. 12.2 vs 12.6?
Tough. Call.
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@bostonron said: It's looking like 12.6 will run away with that bracket. 12.2 is up on '94.Yeah, it's looking like 12/6/97 vs. 12/2/95 in the championship. I'd go with 12/6/97.
12.2 vs 12.6?
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12.6.97 is good, but 12.2.95 is almost as good as James Brown on a bad night. 12.2.95 gets the nod.
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Man, that IS a tough matchup. Fall '95 vs. Fall '97. Relentless, face melting, balls to the wall rock vs. time traveling, mind unraveling, psychedelic funkin'. There's no wrong choice for the winner and no right choice for the loser on that one. I'm still undecided but leaning towards 12/6/97.
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I guess the championship isn't too surprising, but I think I'd take 12/14/95 over 12/2 if those two would have met. Things could get crazy when I have to click, but leaning 12/6/97 now.
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I know I am going to get chewed out for asking but I have to. I know everyone's taste is different but what is it about these two versions that everyone enjoys so much? I always enjoy comparing versions of different songs but I often find I never agree with the standard GOAT jams. So I just wanted to get a sense of what I might be missing.
12 6 97 is cool but I find myself waiting for something to happen and never does. its like an itch you want scratched. I could see myself enjoying this by putting it on as background music when I am doing something else or hanging with friends but it could never keep my attention.
12 2 95 . I like a lot better just my opinion. I can also see why many dig this since its so high energy but when you really listen to it compared to many other Tweezers it just seems a like Trey is doing most of his generic licks without much phrasing. The drumbs really change the mood but i personally don't like the tempo with the song. Gordon really does nothing in this that blows me away and i really prefer page on the Clav on tweezer's as it compliments the electro feel.
Now before you guys come raging on me remember this is a discussion board and that's all I am trying to do is discuss and get other peoples perspective. Personally I feel that most of them are twice the musicians today than they were ten years ago. Their ideas are just so much more rich.
12 6 97 is cool but I find myself waiting for something to happen and never does. its like an itch you want scratched. I could see myself enjoying this by putting it on as background music when I am doing something else or hanging with friends but it could never keep my attention.
12 2 95 . I like a lot better just my opinion. I can also see why many dig this since its so high energy but when you really listen to it compared to many other Tweezers it just seems a like Trey is doing most of his generic licks without much phrasing. The drumbs really change the mood but i personally don't like the tempo with the song. Gordon really does nothing in this that blows me away and i really prefer page on the Clav on tweezer's as it compliments the electro feel.
Now before you guys come raging on me remember this is a discussion board and that's all I am trying to do is discuss and get other peoples perspective. Personally I feel that most of them are twice the musicians today than they were ten years ago. Their ideas are just so much more rich.
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@Dogossj2Just to get an idea of where you're coming from, what would be your top Tweezers, or just top jams in general? If 12/6/97 doesn't hold your attention, I'm genuinely curious as to what floats your boat improv-wise.
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@westbrook said: @bostonron said:It's looking like 12.6 will run away with that bracket. 12.2 is up on '94.Yeah, it's looking like 12/6/97 vs. 12/2/95 in the championship. I'd go with 12/6/97.
12.2 vs 12.6?
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@Dogossj2 said: I know I am going to get chewed out for asking but I have to. I know everyone's taste is different but what is it about these two versions that everyone enjoys so much? I always enjoy comparing versions of different songs but I often find I never agree with the standard GOAT jams. So I just wanted to get a sense of what I might be missing.With 12.2.95, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. That, I think, is the handle.
12 6 97 is cool but I find myself waiting for something to happen and never does. its like an itch you want scratched. I could see myself enjoying this by putting it on as background music when I am doing something else or hanging with friends but it could never keep my attention.
12 2 95 . I like a lot better just my opinion. I can also see why many dig this since its so high energy but when you really listen to it compared to many other Tweezers it just seems a like Trey is doing most of his generic licks without much phrasing. The drumbs really change the mood but i personally don't like the tempo with the song. Gordon really does nothing in this that blows me away and i really prefer page on the Clav on tweezer's as it compliments the electro feel.
Now before you guys come raging on me remember this is a discussion board and that's all I am trying to do is discuss and get other peoples perspective. Personally I feel that most of them are twice the musicians today than they were ten years ago. Their ideas are just so much more rich.
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Bozeman making a comeback on New Haven.
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Quite the show down
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Championship round starts at 12. I will probably be able to activate it shortly after 12 and I'll post in here when you can vote. 12/2/95 vs. 11/28/94 is still tight.
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The Championship is now under way. 12/6/97 vs. 12/2/95
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Round 4 Results12/6/97 (70.6%) vs. 12/14/95 (29.4%)
11/28/94 (48.4%) vs. 12/2/95 (51.6%)
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12/6/97 isnt even the best Tweezer from Fall 97
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@spaced said:
not the longest or anything but it is just so bad ass and nasty. But then again those version are way more popular than this one so I must be the odd man out. To each their own. Long live Phish
@Dogossj2i think my favorite today is from 8 12 2011. Mainly for the brilliant way the band enters the Jam. As Trey pumps soaring notes the band is so tight and funky behind him, answering almost every phrase perfectly. Trey on top of this makes it melodic but at the same time so gnarly and ugly it becomes beautiful towards the end. From 5:00 to to 6 40 is brilliant just for setting the stage and then at the peak at 900 he brings up lets it trickle down, brings it up again making his guitar sound like a Wild horse screaming and then answers it with the perfect phrase.
Just to get an idea of where you're coming from, what would be your top Tweezers, or just top jams in general? If 12/6/97 doesn't hold your attention, I'm genuinely curious as to what floats your boat improv-wise.
not the longest or anything but it is just so bad ass and nasty. But then again those version are way more popular than this one so I must be the odd man out. To each their own. Long live Phish
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Voted12.2
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voted 12/6/97
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@Choda said: 12/6/97 isnt even the best Tweezer from Fall 97i agree with your premise that it is a touch overrated, but i definitely think it's the best from fall '97.
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I Wishi would have seen this sooner, looked like a lot of fun!
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voted 12/6/97
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12/6/97 leading so far. Let's get some more votes.
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12.6.97 Tweezer is sooooo overrated.
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We're coming down the home stretch and it's still close. It could go either way. Voting ends at noon.
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Voted 12/6/97. 12/2/95 is the Tweezer version of the Prague Ghost or the Went Gin.
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12/2/95 vs 12/6/97 Can really go either way.
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1 hour remaining. Last bump.
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12/6/97 has won. 54.2% to 45.8%. Thanks for participating.
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Thanks for doing this, @westbrook. It was fun participating, even if I'm a tad disappointed 12/14/95 didn't win.You know what I've learned from this thread? Every great jam by this band is totally overrated. God, why do I even listen to this band?
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@n00b100 said: Thanks for doing this, @westbrook. It was fun participating, even if I'm a tad disappointed 12/14/95 didn't win.I think it was a success. I'm thinking we can do a Ghost bracket next with 16 versions. Hopefully that way more people will be familiar with every version and we can get some more votes and avoid the problem @slothberries mentioned. So, look for the Ghost bracket coming soon.
You know what I've learned from this thread? Every great jam by this band is totally overrated. God, why do I even listen to this band?
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Major props @westbrook for putting this together. Really enjoyed this and listening to all of these great Tweezers. It may be peerless among Phish's jam vehicles.@westbrook said:
I'm thinking we can do a Ghost bracket next with 16 versions.Exactly what I was thinking. So, with that in mind, let me be the first to say:
11/17/97? Overrated.
9/12/99? Overrated.
5/22/00? Overrated.
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@westbrook said: @n00b100 said:lol, I was just thinking about a ghost bracket earlier. Get out of my head, @westbrook!Thanks for doing this, @westbrook. It was fun participating, even if I'm a tad disappointed 12/14/95 didn't win.I think it was a success. I'm thinking we can do a Ghost bracket next with 16 versions. Hopefully that way more people will be familiar with every version and we can get some more votes and avoid the problem @slothberries mentioned. So, look for the Ghost bracket coming soon.
You know what I've learned from this thread? Every great jam by this band is totally overrated. God, why do I even listen to this band?
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Haha we're on the same page @spaced. Let's kick around some ideas on which Ghosts to include. I think there are about 10 versions that are no-brainers, but there could be some discussion about the last 6. I think these should definitely be included:7/1/97
7/3/97
7/23/97
11/17/97
11/28/97
7/2/98
7/6/98
9/12/99
5/22/00
8/3/03
Others I am considering are 12/11/97, 7/19/98, 7/21/98, 11/19/98, 6/15/00, 11/28/09, 12/31/10. What else?
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I would like to stump for the 12/11/99 Ghost to be included.
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@westbrook said: Others I am considering are 12/11/97, 7/19/98, 7/21/98, 11/19/98, 6/15/00, 11/28/09, 12/31/10. What else?I'd put 11/19/98 and 6/15/00 in your list of "no-brainers" and add 7/29/97, 7/1/00, and 6/26/04 to the list of consideration.
Should we page @LawnMemo, perhaps?
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@n00b100 said: I would like to stump for the 12/11/99 Ghost to be included.Sign'd. Can't believe I omitted that. 12/11/99 is one of my favorite shows.
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I forgot 12/11/99 as well. That could definitely be included. I meant to put 7/1/00 in there too.
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I would be happy to help with this. Thanks for the page Stephen. You caught me on a busy day but I have some ideas. We should probably start a new thread also. Definitely some outstanding versions you have mentioned already.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to do 16 or 32 initially. I think 32 is a lot but still doable, and my list looked pretty much identical to yours, @westbrook, except I also had a few others I was at least considering, like 12/13/97, 7/1/00 and I think I was looking at a few also-rans from summer and fall '97, like 7/29, 11/21, and a few others. I guess first we should figure out how many we want to do.One other thing I'd like to do is to have links to download the various versions, so we can at least encourage people not to vote against versions they haven't heard yet. This might work better as its own webpage instead of using the automatic bracket generator sites. It would be a bit more work, but it would also allow us more flexibility; we could do writeups describing the matchups, etc. Just a thought.
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The bracket website I used for Tweezer does allow for adding descriptions and video/audio.
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@westbrook said: The bracket website I used for Tweezer does allow for adding descriptions and video/audio.Oh, cool. That takes care of that.
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@Lawnmemo What kind of ideas did you have? Should we move forward with making the bracket or did you want to do something else? Or integrate with your website somehow?
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@spaced said: @westbrook said:We can put audio/video links within the thread for people to check out, which I think is very manageable with a 16 or even 32-Ghost field. It seems we have at least 3 people here who'd be willing/would like to help with this. We could have people do short write-ups of the Ghosts or the match-ups with audio/video links.The bracket website I used for Tweezer does allow for adding descriptions and video/audio.Oh, cool. That takes care of that.
If @westbrook, @spaced and @LawnMemo want to really tackle this, why don't we exchange emails via PM and get an email chain going to flesh this out, rather than over a Tweezer thread. I get weak in the knees for a good Ghost and am so down to help with this.
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