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He surprised me a couple weeks ago with saying "I'm not sure I even like phish, man" , knowing it was my favorite band. He said that all the songs he has heard are weird and stupid----which leads me to believe he's only heard stuff like Kung, Sparkle, Fee, and songs that aren't meant to get taken seriously.
I'm tryin to make him a playlist of songs that will transform his opinion.
Any thoughts on what i should put on there?
I'm tryin to make him a playlist of songs that will transform his opinion.
Any thoughts on what i should put on there?
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i take Fee very seriously
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@ObliviousPool said: He surprised me a couple weeks ago with saying "I'm not sure I even like phish, man" , knowing it was my favorite band. He said that all the songs he has heard are weird and stupid----which leads me to believe he's only heard stuff like Kung, Sparkle, Fee, and songs that aren't meant to get taken seriously. I'm tryin to make him a playlist of songs that will transform his opinion. Any thoughts on what i should put on there?Don't bother. If he can't get into the werid stuff then he's a lost cause. I mean, if you want to play him the "serious" stuff go ahead... but that' just not what phish is about.
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Yes, Fee is a very serious song.
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more new fans equals less tickets for everyone else
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Scents and Subtle Sounds with the intro. if he doesnt like that then fire up some of the Deads best versions of Wang Dang Doodle so he can get back to listening to more serious music
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@me_no_are_no_nice_guy said: @ObliviousPool said:Who cares what Phish is about? If he likes ANY Phish, then that's a good start.He surprised me a couple weeks ago with saying "I'm not sure I even like phish, man" , knowing it was my favorite band. He said that all the songs he has heard are weird and stupid----which leads me to believe he's only heard stuff like Kung, Sparkle, Fee, and songs that aren't meant to get taken seriously. I'm tryin to make him a playlist of songs that will transform his opinion. Any thoughts on what i should put on there?Don't bother. If he can't get into the werid stuff then he's a lost cause. I mean, if you want to play him the "serious" stuff go ahead... but that' just not what phish is about.
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I don't get so evangelical about phish. I'm past that phase.
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Lol werd, great song right?! but from the song he described to me that he heard on JamOn radio where he works, it sounded like he was bashing Fee. I'd throw some lizards on this playlist but I feel like he needs to understand phish before he gets introduced to gamehendge jams
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unless a person is really into fantasy, LOTR or whatever, or concept albums, Gamehenge is not a good place to start at all
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i'd go Alaska, maybe a DWD...Shafty, my left toe, what's the use (the song, not evangelizing Phish), Walfredo...Seriously though, I can't "get into" UM with all the trying in the world. I also can't listen to the Dead anymore (flame away). They're too slow and Jerry is just all over the place. So everyone's tastes evolve over time, but if you can't "hear" the music, what's the point in listening to it?
EDIT: Phish isn't a hippie band, I know some UM fans think that they're all hippie drippy but that's not even close to reality. If he's happy listening to the Dead all the time, Phish will sound way too modern. Which is hilarious when you see/hear what these newer bands are doing electronically.
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many deadheads dont like phish, many phish heads dont like the dead.... if he said he didnt like them, stop the peer pressure and let him like who he likes....
i dont like country music but my wife tries to make me listen to it...now i dont like my wife....
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@joonze said: many deadheads dont like phish, many phish heads dont like the dead.... if he said he didnt like them, stop the peer pressure and let him like who he likes.... i dont like country music but my wife tries to make me listen to it...now i dont like my wife....
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Play him that Waves from Deer Creek this summer. If that jam Trey lays into doesn't vibrate his "Grateful Dead Nerve" then it wasn't meant to be.Why do I say that? My brother, who hates Phish (Deadhead since '85) even acknowledged that he liked it.
Quote: "You see...I like this. It's more mellow. It's that Fluffhead shit I can't stand."
Try it and see...
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Give Farmhouse (the album) a few spins in the background. The depth, tone, and variety will almost certainly strike a chord. At least, that's what reeled me in after nearly a decade of dismissing the Phish as a bunch of snarky contrarians whose music was fun but not compelling.
Most hard-core Deadheads tend to be song-oriented listeners who hear melodic extensions of the same lyrical conversations in the band's deepest jams. Many of them used to hit the bathrooms during Drums > Space, and those improv segments were the first to get cut if a 2nd set had to be squeezed onto a 90-minute cassette. The legendary jams from '68-'74 weren't special because they were long or free-form, but because they took the listener on a meaningful journey. The solid ground at either end was as critical as the air, water, fire, and butter in between.
If you're an excitable Beavis who can't resist assaulting a Deadhead friend with phull-length jams, then at least go with something like 5/22/00 Ghost - as opposed to 11/16/94 Simple.
Most hard-core Deadheads tend to be song-oriented listeners who hear melodic extensions of the same lyrical conversations in the band's deepest jams. Many of them used to hit the bathrooms during Drums > Space, and those improv segments were the first to get cut if a 2nd set had to be squeezed onto a 90-minute cassette. The legendary jams from '68-'74 weren't special because they were long or free-form, but because they took the listener on a meaningful journey. The solid ground at either end was as critical as the air, water, fire, and butter in between.
If you're an excitable Beavis who can't resist assaulting a Deadhead friend with phull-length jams, then at least go with something like 5/22/00 Ghost - as opposed to 11/16/94 Simple.
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@joonze said:
Isn't that the title of a hit country song??
i dont like country music but my wife tries to make me listen to it...now i dont like my wife....
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throw in new years 92-93...........
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I recently burned some discs for an old deadhead that really wanted to hear all of the Halloween sets. I ended up doing a show or two from '92-'98. These are the shows I burned for him...3-20-92 with 3-7-92 set 2 as philler on disc 3
3-22-93 disc 2 (Gamehendge)
8-13-93 with 8-14-93 set 2 as philler on disc 3
10-31-94
12-29-94 with 7-16-94 set 2 as philler on disc 3
10-31-95
12-14-95
12-31-95
10-31-96
3-1-97
7-22-97
12-6-97
10-31-98
My only request was that he listened to the shows in chronological order.
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if you cant get your dead-head hippie friend to like phish simply by playing some for him, then hes never, ever going to like Phish
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take em to a show and let the chips fall
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Didn't read thread, fee comment turned me off.
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just tell him to keep on truckin
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attraction not promotion
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In my opinion Phish is not about being serious, it's about fun. Phish is just making fun on stage, and, well, accidentally the phans really like it!
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Same problem with a few of my friends, they just don't get it, it's very frustrating.
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@ObliviousPool said: He surprised me a couple weeks ago with saying "I'm not sure I even like phish, man" , knowing it was my favorite band. He said that all the songs he has heard are weird and stupid----which leads me to believe he's only heard stuff like Kung, Sparkle, Fee, and songs that aren't meant to get taken seriously. I'm tryin to make him a playlist of songs that will transform his opinion. Any thoughts on what i should put on there?Try to remind him the dead have been dead for over 15yrs and its time to listen to someone that still makes music!
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@Phlat_Brim_Kid said: @ObliviousPool said:Shhh...we're trying to get @johnnyd into the BeatlesHe surprised me a couple weeks ago with saying "I'm not sure I even like phish, man" , knowing it was my favorite band. He said that all the songs he has heard are weird and stupid----which leads me to believe he's only heard stuff like Kung, Sparkle, Fee, and songs that aren't meant to get taken seriously. I'm tryin to make him a playlist of songs that will transform his opinion. Any thoughts on what i should put on there?Try to remind him the dead have been dead for over 15yrs and its time to listen to someone that still makes music!
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Very hard for Deadheads to "embrace the silly"... I have people ask, does the drummer still wear a dress? and start quoting "Contact", and that is all they see. I make them phish mixes, all instrumentals for people who hate the lyrics, or covers, or blistering rockers (Tweezer, Weekapaug...), or spacey jams.. whatever will hook them, and then coax them to a show. I've converted a slew of Deadheads now, so you can blame me for the ticket situation 
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My advice, make him a milkshake with both of these flavors with a 50-50 mix, then slowly reduce the mixture to 40-60 cherry garcia-phishfood ratio, 70-30, etc until your feeding him completely phish food. If all goes according to plan, your friend will be a fully converted phish phan.
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The obvious answer is stage a runaway golf cart marathon. let that motherfucker hate on Kung one more time, I f***ing dare you!!!
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Sample In a Jar or GTFO
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Why does it matter .let him like what he like's. and not like what he does not like.
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Take him to a show obviously....The Dead could be very silly at times. Just listen to one of Weir's jokes.
They were descendants of Bolos and Bozos.
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again 12-31-93 harry hood
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Now this was a fun thread to read.
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Dose him, first tube him then YEM him. If he doesn't like it - do you really want a friend like that?
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i've met many dead heads, that seem to think they are wayyy too heddy for phish. to these dudes phish is kids music, ironcially they are often in their late 20's and only have caught a few furthur shows.imo, there is no hope for these supremely heddy dudes.
good luck
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I cant stand this shit keep the mother f***er away If I have listen to more of these super heady dirty ass wooks in the parking lot i will punch them in the face. I'm getting really sick of hearing about how much better the dead is. honestly furthur kind of sucks. Bobby doing his best Jerry impression is the Worst. I saw some phil shows recently with Jackie Green that were good but compared to phish show come one. Dont get me wrong I've got days and days of dead on my computer. I just hate being perched to about how much better the dead is than my favorite band at Phish shows. some people just want to hate and think everything was better in 70s let them think that. The last thing anyone needs is for it to be harder to get new years tickets. they hang out in parking lot and hate and sell DOB to kids as acid. I dont care and have heard it all before frankly I wish they and their fake drugs would stay home.
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@HarrisonHood said: I cant stand this shit keep the mother f***er away If I have listen to more of these super heady dirty ass wooks in the parking lot i will punch them in the face. ... Bobby doing his best Jerry impression is the Worst. I saw some phil shows recently with Jackie Green that were good but compared to phish show come one.no offense guy, but you don't get it.
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If the jam in this doesn't get him, nothing will:
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Not reading this entire thread but if your Deadhead buddy thinks some Phish songs are stupid, why bother trying to get him involved? Let him yearn for the days Jerry was alive. Waste his money and efforts on Furthur, or whatever trash those guys are putting out, and be happy you get to see the best band on the planet shred your face a dozen times a year.
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