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Don't think this has been posted yet but its good news for most of us. Still years off but I'm glad the Feds are starting to get the idea.Article here.
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Wow. The Government wants to take 50% from each initial sale from grower to retailer. That's highway robbery. Herb is going to be more expensive when it's legal than it is now.
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True, but its still cheaper than bail, lawyers, fines, lost work, lost freedom, being ass-raped in jail, and other long term repercussions.I'll pay the tax, thanks.
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gladly pay the tax
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Wow. "There are more people in Congress who think it should be illegal than there are who think it should be legal." That's right, Congress, keep representing your constituents... Being an Oregonian, I'm fortunate to have someone like Blumenauer to vote for. He's pretty much always on point about his constituents, common sense, and major issues. Not like the rest of Congress.
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@ReadIcculus_ said: @Holloway said:Not necessarily... open competition does a lot to bring the price down. Also, if it became significantly more expensive due to taxes, then wouldn't people just sell weed off the books, just like they're doing now while it's illegal, for prices similar to what it goes for now?Herb is going to be more expensive when it's legal than it is now.Truth.
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@DirtyAl1173 said: True, but its still cheaper than bail, lawyers, fines, lost work, lost freedom, being ass-raped in jail, and other long term repercussions.Agreed. Paying taxes is better than ass rape.
I'll pay the tax, thanks.
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@Dollop_of_Murk said: Wow. "There are more people in Congress who think it should be illegal than there are who think it should be legal." That's right, Congress, keep representing your constituents...Preach brotha! And, being an Oregonian, I'm not too concerned about price increases. Many local, consistent, and thriving providers.
Being an Oregonian, I'm fortunate to have someone like Blumenauer to vote for. He's pretty much always on point about his constituents, common sense, and major issues. Not like the rest of Congress.
::bats away influx of out-of-staters with a large salmon::
::realizes I am being mean to the salmon, lets salmon go::
::feels bad for threatening outsiders with salmon, offers them a beer and toke::
::forgot what my original point was::
::welcome to Oregon!::
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I think I'll just grow my own. When its legal, of course 
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Great. The government has to money-ize everything. Shitheads.
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@the_Landlady said: @ReadIcculus_ said:d00d, anytime the government gets involved, the cost goes up and the quality goes down.@Holloway said:Not necessarily... open competition does a lot to bring the price down. Also, if it became significantly more expensive due to taxes, then wouldn't people just sell weed off the books, just like they're doing now while it's illegal, for prices similar to what it goes for now?Herb is going to be more expensive when it's legal than it is now.Truth.
How about this scenario: Since the effects are so unpredictable from person to person, government, in its insatiable nanny-state manner, mandates all marijuana has a low THC content. Therefore, it is legal, so long as it is schwag. KB still outlawed. Don't laugh, it is more than possible.
With government involvement in this issue, be very careful what you ask for.
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@deBebbler said: @the_Landlady said:False. Before the government got involved, dudes were calling themselves doctors and selling radon, promising it will make you age slower. But to be more on point, when the government ended the alcohol prohibition, booze became cheaper and available in higher quality than it was during prohibition.@ReadIcculus_ said:d00d, anytime the government gets involved, the cost goes up and the quality goes down.@Holloway said:Not necessarily... open competition does a lot to bring the price down. Also, if it became significantly more expensive due to taxes, then wouldn't people just sell weed off the books, just like they're doing now while it's illegal, for prices similar to what it goes for now?Herb is going to be more expensive when it's legal than it is now.Truth.
How about this scenario: Since the effects are so unpredictable from person to person, government, in its insatiable nanny-state manner, mandates all marijuana has a low THC content. Therefore, it is legal, so long as it is schwag. KB still outlawed. Don't laugh, it is more than possible.
With government involvement in this issue, be very careful what you ask for.
And your scenario is improbable at best. Again, a parallel can be drawn to alcohol: States passed laws regulating alcohol content. Given the correlation between alcohol content and alcohol overdoses, this makes sense. It doesn't make as much sense with THC content. But regardless, for the sake of argument, even if the states individually passed laws making only schwag legal, don't you think people would still be growing heady weed and selling it for the same (if not larger) profit than they make today? Haven't you ever had/bought moonshine?
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***Insert George Carlin insult on gov't***Instead I'll leave this:
fake or not.... tis true
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@the_Landlady said: States passed laws regulating alcohol content. Given the correlation between alcohol content and alcohol overdoses, this makes sense. It doesn't make as much sense with THC content.Logic (or sense) and legislatures have, at best, a passing acquaintance with each other.
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@deBebbler said: @the_Landlady said:True, to an extent. The govt has already produced a seed that auto herms to keep the plant from maturing 100%. It's very possible that they could try to regulate in this way. The pot movement has already gone too far in our direction though. Being able to set up shop in your basement, there's no way they could regulate how much thc your plants produce.@ReadIcculus_ said:d00d, anytime the government gets involved, the cost goes up and the quality goes down.@Holloway said:Not necessarily... open competition does a lot to bring the price down. Also, if it became significantly more expensive due to taxes, then wouldn't people just sell weed off the books, just like they're doing now while it's illegal, for prices similar to what it goes for now?Herb is going to be more expensive when it's legal than it is now.Truth.
How about this scenario: Since the effects are so unpredictable from person to person, government, in its insatiable nanny-state manner, mandates all marijuana has a low THC content. Therefore, it is legal, so long as it is schwag. KB still outlawed. Don't laugh, it is more than possible.
With government involvement in this issue, be very careful what you ask for.
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@aSTRANGEdesign said: True, to an extent. The govt has already produced a seed that auto herms to keep the plant from maturing 100%. It's very possible that they could try to regulate in this way. The pot movement has already gone too far in our direction though. Being able to set up shop in your basement, there's no way they could regulate how much thc your plants produce.You are assuming that you would retain the right to grow your own once the gov't legalizes the sale. The whole idea for the gov't to regulate the sale is to tax the shit out of it. I highly doubt they would allow you to keep growing because it means you aren't buying.
I'm pretty sure the FDA would love to strip you of that right.
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@deBebbler said: @aSTRANGEdesign said:No I agree, I could see them trying to take away the right to grow, but I think we are too far past that at this point. Way too many people have grow ops in their homes, legal or not.True, to an extent. The govt has already produced a seed that auto herms to keep the plant from maturing 100%. It's very possible that they could try to regulate in this way. The pot movement has already gone too far in our direction though. Being able to set up shop in your basement, there's no way they could regulate how much thc your plants produce.You are assuming that you would retain the right to grow your own once the gov't legalizes the sale. The whole idea for the gov't to regulate the sale is to tax the shit out of it. I highly doubt they would allow you to keep growing because it means you aren't buying.
I'm pretty sure the FDA would love to strip you of that right.
I do see where you are coming from tho. the person you say yes to today is not the same person you say yes to in 20 years. That's the scary part of such a high tax rate right off the bat.
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@the_Landlady said: False. Before the government got involved, dudes were calling themselves doctors and selling radon, promising it will make you age slower...
As a fan of debate, this counter point is rather fantastic.
::feels like a debate dork::
::forgets to care::
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@aSTRANGEdesign said: Yeah, but I thought the whole point was to make it legal. If it means that you have to break the law to have anything worth smoking, you are no better off.
No I agree, I could see them trying to take away the right to grow, but I think we are too far past that at this point. Way too many people have grow ops in their homes, legal or not.
And the number of people engaging in an activity has nothing to do with the gov't being more or less inclined to strip you of your rights. Lots of people were making and consuming alcohol in 1919, and the next year Prohibition happened.
It is funny to think a little further down the road with this scenario. If schwag was mandated, it would mean cops would be tracking down sweet skunk smells only. The growing gurus would then respond with KB that smelled like it had been picked out of a Mexican ditch, lol.
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Gladly gladly pay the tax here!!! I'll still be getting it from the same place, for the same price, all organic with no government hassle.It will work though, people will try to make money off it and they will and people will be lazy and not caring enough to give them their business. The majority of people that I meet who have been smoking for years and years still seem to pay top dollar for mediocre, chemical fertilizer/nutrient enriched buds. The true connoisseurs will still continue to grow it, buy it and share it among the same groups they operate with now. I feel like I can say pretty confidently that for the most part, it will work in our (the cannabis lovers) favor and taxes, regulations, etc. will not hurt anything in the long run.
I know plenty of people are skeptical, but I think it's mostly the people making millions of dollars off the illegal cultivation/sale of it that are going to be the biggest opponents, hypocritical I know, but it's the truth.
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the schwag argument seems completely baseless. It exists NOWHERE in either the Colorado or Washington legislation.
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You might not be too far off with saying "lowering THC levels." In cases for medicinal users, a push towards higher weed levels of CBD "Cannabidiol" & less THC levels is becoming more popular for various reasons. You can read all about it here at http://projectcbd.org/
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@harroldHOOD said: the schwag argument seems completely baseless. It exists NOWHERE in either the Colorado or Washington legislation.It's hard to find swag and beasters today. Which is nothing to complain about of course.
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The measures have little chance of passing.
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@the_Landlady said: "@deBebbler said: "@the_Landlady said: "@ReadIcculus_ said: "@Holloway said: " Herb is going to be more expensive when it's legal than it is now."Truth."
Not necessarily... open competition does a lot to bring the price down. Also, if it became significantly more expensive due to taxes, then wouldn't people just sell weed off the books, just like they're doing now while it's illegal, for prices similar to what it goes for now?"
d00d, anytime the government gets involved, the cost goes up and the quality goes down.
How about this scenario: Since the effects are so unpredictable from person to person, government, in its insatiable nanny-state manner, mandates all marijuana has a low THC content. Therefore, it is legal, so long as it is schwag. KB still outlawed. Don't laugh, it is more than possible.
With government involvement in this issue, be very careful what you ask for."
False. Before the government got involved, dudes were calling themselves doctors and selling radon, promising it will make you age slower. But to be more on point, when the government ended the alcohol prohibition, booze became cheaper and available in higher quality than it was during prohibition.
And your scenario is improbable at best. Again, a parallel can be drawn to alcohol: States passed laws regulating alcohol content. Given the correlation between alcohol content and alcohol overdoses, this makes sense. It doesn't make as much sense with THC content. But regardless, for the sake of argument, even if the states individually passed laws making only schwag legal, don't you think people would still be growing heady weed and selling it for the same (if not larger) profit than they make today? Haven't you ever had/bought moonshine?"
All right on, but look at alcohol today. TOP quality, everywhere. From wine to berry fruit type wines/cider to beer we have a pretty solid market today. If we treat cannabis like that (which it seems to be very similar) then I think the industry and transition will be smoother than prohibition.
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For me the coolest thing about legalizing marijuana is gaining the ability to be open about it. Why should I have to sit at work andisten to dip shits talk about drinking at the club but god forbid I mention putting at the show? Legal or illegal I have never had an issue getting it when I wanted it. I did get to indulge in the miriad of products available while living in Cali and certainly do miss them here in VT but the fact is if I want to get high, I have no issue achieving my goal.It would just be nice to not be stigmatized by many members of this society anymore. When weed is looked down upon by folks tipping back beers every night you know the world is a bit backwards.
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@mgh2001 - exactly, I agree. I wasn't trying to say this will be exactly like the end of the alcohol prohibition, I was just providing an argument based in history and logic to defeat the ignorant and overbroad claim that goverent regulation will make, and always has made, prices go up and quality go down.
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@Jimmymac03 said: When weed is looked down upon by folks tipping back beers every night you know the world is a bit backwards.A-fucking-men brother.
Alcoholism is so much worse for you and everyone around you than weedism.
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@Dollop_of_Murk said: Wow. "There are more people in Congress who think it should be illegal than there are who think it should be legal." That's right, Congress, keep representing your constituents..They are alot of rural areas that saw industry go bye bye have relied on private prisons to move in and fill that job void. We need to keep those prison filled with our "war on drugs"
Not to mention those prison firm lobbyists, prison guard unions, DEA jobs, Border patrol, private security firms etc
It's ALWAYS about money
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Does anyone know what type of tax booze and liquor wholesalers pay when shipping to retail? What about cigarette taxes? I'm not sure weed is being unfairly taxed as a comparison.
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@cjfphan21 said: @Jimmymac03 said:::is a weedist::When weed is looked down upon by folks tipping back beers every night you know the world is a bit backwards.A-fucking-men brother.
Alcoholism is so much worse for you and everyone around you than weedism.
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I despise the human race.Where do they get off making a plant illegal then legalizing it and taking the profit?
Fuking people.
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@harroldHOOD said: the schwag argument seems completely baseless. It exists NOWHERE in either the Colorado or Washington legislation.What the legislature giveth, it can taketh away.
Also, remember that if the Federal Gov't legislates on this issue, the law will trump all state laws.
You are assuming that just because this is how it is now (for you) and how it has been in the recent past, that it is how it will be in the future. You are making David Hume chuckle from his grave.
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@deBebbler said: @harroldHOOD said:what are you talking about? I don't live in Colorado or Washington. You're making assumptions. I don't have some snarky comment about someone in their grave.the schwag argument seems completely baseless. It exists NOWHERE in either the Colorado or Washington legislation.You are assuming that just because this is how it is now (for you) and how it has been in the recent past, that it is how it will be in the future. You are making David Hume chuckle from his grave.
I'm just saying, there is no basis for the government to do such a thing when they have clearly said they will regulate it in the same way they regulate alcohol. We have high shelf booze. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
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